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11:14am Saturday 16th June 2007

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RIDERS of new pedocab services in York have been warned: "If you pick up passengers, you'll be breaking the law."

The warning, from John Lacy, the City of York Council's cab licensing officer, has caused two new firms seeking to use environmentally-friendly rickshaw-style cycles instantly to backpedal on their plans.

It means, for the moment, the three-wheelers with room for two passengers and a child will need to rely mainly on being used as mobile advertising media.

Mr Lacy, who called the firms in for talks, said: "The council does not want to be a killjoy, but we have to think about the interests of the wider public.

"If they want to pick up passengers from the street and from ranks in the city, they need a Hackney Carriage licence. Unfortunately, in York we issue only 158. There is a lengthy waiting list and we restrict the numbers."

In Cardiff, pedocab operators have got around the restrictions by offering people free trips while a tip (wink, wink) is optional. The three-wheelers were also used there for private hire.

Mr Lacy said the law was vague on free rides or using them as private hire vehicles, although tips could be interpreted as plying for hire.

He said: "It has to be regulated and we are looking into this. We need to know if they are a fit and proper people to ride and pick up people.

"Have they been vetted for a police record? Are they subject to insurance? Are the vehicles roadworthy - because there is nothing in place to test them?

"We need to know whether they are competent to ride with passengers."

He feared the bikes were not suited to York's narrow roads and, if too many of them were allowed to operate, they would clog up the city's traffic.

Mr Lacy's concern was echoed by Alan Rowley, secretary of the York Taxi Association.

He said: "At the moment, we have eight of these vehicles on York roads. If left to multiply, there will soon be 88. Imagine how that will slow up the traffic. What happens if a passenger falls from these vehicles? Will they be covered by public liability insurance?"

Proprietors of York Pedocabs and a new arrival in York, Hop On city cruisers, both said they were "disappointed", but would now rely on advertising to stay on the roads in York.

Both still want a passenger service in York in the same way as pedocabs are allowed in Edinburgh, London and Cardiff, as well as Tokyo, Berlin and Lisbon.

Paul Styles, of York Pedocabs, which has four of the vehicles on the road with two more to come, said: "I have had legal advice and, unfortunately, anything more than a friendly gesture by a passenger is deemed to be for hire or reward. Private hire is also surrounded by legal uncertainty, but I shall be taking registered orders for trips between the Cock And Bottle pub and York Racecourse.

"I absolutely agree with Mr Lacy that there should be safeguards and I am willing to co-operate in any way."

John Stainthorpe, who launched Hop On at the Best Western Monkbar Hotel, York, yesterday, said he was hopeful special licensing regulations will eventually be formulated especially for his mode of transport which will allow them to operate as a passenger service in York.

Meanwhile, his emphasis would be entirely on using his "pedal cruisers" as promotional vehicles.

He said: "But our name won't change. We are still urging advertisers to Hop On, so to speak."


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plastic terry, heworth 4th ave says...
1:06pm Sat 16 Jun 07

LACY SAID **He feared the bikes were not suited to York's narrow roads and, if too many of them were allowed to operate>

YEH UNLINKE THEM STUPID PURPLE FTRS, THEY ARE REALLY SMALL AINT THEY AND SUITED TO NARROW CITY STREETS,, WHAT IS THIS GUY ON,! . BLURT

Milton, York says...
1:20pm Sat 16 Jun 07

This is terrible and just another example of how the council pay lip service to cycle-users whilst trying to make life as difficult as possible for them. They should visit other european cities such as Strasburg and Amsterdam and realise how to properly treat cyclists.

Trev, Bishopthorpe says...
1:42pm Sat 16 Jun 07

I agree.
The man from the council is engaged in double talk! Don't expect any reasonable person to believe that the pedocabs are too large for York's streets! The man is just so simple!

tricky ricky, acomb, york says...
2:03pm Sat 16 Jun 07

IDIOTS! thats the council for you. Whats wrong with them? On the one hand they "say" they are for conservation and greener means of transport, yet, when it is put on a plate for them....oh no! York council should be offering these guys and others like them whatever they wish. Only recenlty we heard the council say they wanted less cars in Yokr clogging up the roads. Well here is one of the answers you muppets!!!!!

Another possibly Mr Lacy is actually Mike "i hate all things that arn't cars" Usherwood?

Bemused, says...
3:45pm Sat 16 Jun 07

People read but prefer misinterpret the words.
He feared the bikes were not suited to York's narrow roads and, if too many of them were allowed to operate, they would clog up the city's traffic.

They are slow moving and because of this plus their size being wider than an ordinary pedal cycle, will clog up the narrow roads of York.
Then there are the legal problems which are well described to the extent that anyone who can't understand them must have reading difficulties.

Jason, says...
3:55pm Sat 16 Jun 07

Yes I'm sure the slow moving speed will be a real problem on yorks fast moving streets.

Geoff, says...
4:24pm Sat 16 Jun 07

If they'd gone about this the right way and involved the City Council in the first place I'm sure they would have been allowed.
But, as it stands now, there is no proof of insurance or public liability, driver/rider suitability or police checks that every taxi driver has to comply with.
There are no Contruction & Use regs to guarantee suitability of the vehicle.
All these points could have been identified and dealt with by working with the authorities before hand!

Bemused, says...
5:20pm Sat 16 Jun 07

Both still want a passenger service in York in the same way as pedocabs are allowed in Edinburgh, London and Cardiff, as well as Tokyo, Berlin and Lisbon.

Further to Geoff's legal assessment, it is interesting to look at where they operate within the UK.
In London they operate under a loophole of the Metropolitan Public Carriage Act 1869 and are restricted to the West End. In England and Wales each local authority has it's own version of the Hackney Carriage Regulations. It should be noted that in Cardiff they are not plying for hire as hackney carriages, and whatever they are doing in Edinburgh, Scottish Law can be different to that in England and Wales.

Geoff, says...
6:53pm Sat 16 Jun 07

Like I said BM, if they had talked beforehand with CoY Council I'm sure they would now be operating satisfactorily!

nimrod, Acomb says...
8:32pm Sat 16 Jun 07

What a shame. These could have been a great attraction but, I suppose, as slow moving vehicles they would have got in the way of the purple monstrocities and the open topped snails operating under the guise of tourist buses.

Nonsense, York says...
2:48pm Sun 17 Jun 07

Mr Lacy gives the game away with his comments. He simply doesn't want them on York's Streets. The suitability thing is a laugh, I've given quite a few taxi drivers a telling off for doing 45-60mph in 20 zones over the years.

Come off it Mr Lacy, if all the things you said were adhered to then we'd have no taxis on the road at all.

Maggie Moo, York says...
9:29am Mon 18 Jun 07

Yeh, I'm sure taxi drivers are safe. I got in one two weeks ago, the driver owned up to going through red lights late on a night if he 'thought' there was nothing coming the other way, don't forget the emphasis is on 'thought'.

Mary, York says...
10:21am Tue 19 Jun 07

As I understand it, the Council licence taxi drivers and their vehicles. They vet the drivers to ensure they do not have convictions or health problems that could prevent them from obtaining a licence. They also inspect the vehicles, similar to an MOT test. They can only enforce breaches of licence conditions or the legislation under which they are licensed. Other criminal activities, including driving offences, are enforced by the Police, the same as for any other person. Just because a person holds a licence to drive a taxi does not mean that the Council are responsible for that person's actions. It would help if people understood the law a little better instead of making comments about something they obviously know nothing about.

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