So once again the council have wimped out! Deregulation brings competition...compet
ition means lower fairs.
Strange how all taxi firms charge the same price! Like any other business there should be fair competition. This cannot be achieved by limiting the amount of taxi licences.

A closed shop that benefits only taxi firms and drivers. Total rip off for the consumer, ie: US!

Meep - I think you'll find that taxi fares are set by the council

No wonder Stuart Robertson is delighted .He and his members will be in a position to own more licences to sell off at an astronomical profit.

Any plans to deregulate the city's taxis have been greeted with condemnation from all sides.

Except the poor long suffering public ripped off with high prices, and fed up with never being able to get a taxi when you want one. The Council has let us down again.

Tich wrote:
Meep - I think you'll find that taxi fares are set by the council

The council set a maximum price.....So they all charge the maximum. They coulod charge less but they dont have to due to having no competition.

There are never enough taxis around. Numbers should be increased.

Tich wrote:
Meep - I think you'll find that taxi fares are set by the council

The council set a maximum price.....So they all charge the maximum. They coulod charge less but they dont have to due to having no competition.

Why would a Taxi want to charge less?
The chances of the same person flagging down the same cab everyday because he knows the fare is cheaper is slim to say the least,
Most Hacney drivers dont work for a company and still wont if deregulation happens, so i fail to see how it can bring down prices.
Having said all that i hope it does happen because i have been on the waiting list for twelve years.

Usual story, tail wags the dog again. When are this council going to stand up to these cabbies who by there own admission have had it to good in York for to long.

Make a decision and stick to it. This has been going on for years !

They should go the whole hog and derestrict this will stop the plate Barron's charging drivers extortionate rentals, then watch taxi fares fall.
it appears that York council has chickened out once again, and they do not listen to the Government only the plate Barron wingers.
the council should recall all plates and reissue them at one plate per person, and if a plate Barron looses out tough

ouserower wrote:
There are never enough taxis around. Numbers should be increased.

no, so for the drivers that work nights they are never enough passengers around, its called demand, and it has peaks, you cant have a steady flow of taxis without a steady flow of customers, you never have enough buses in the day, and none at night!

Pay no rent wrote:
They should go the whole hog and derestrict this will stop the plate Barron's charging drivers extortionate rentals, then watch taxi fares fall.
it appears that York council has chickened out once again, and they do not listen to the Government only the plate Barron wingers.
the council should recall all plates and reissue them at one plate per person, and if a plate Barron looses out tough

If I was driving and got 4 jobs in an hour, and each one was a short run up the road for a fiver, I would make 20 quid, half of which would go in expenses, would you carry a car full of drunks around for 10 quid an hour?

All you bleating sheep on here about high fares are no doubt the stressful customers who no one likes to pick up.

The council has gone the sensible route on this, for once....

Now they just need to drop the stupid black car idea and realise that old well maintained cars do not pollute as much as new ones which can pollute more!

Press release

In response to the National Consumer Council (NCC)


Regulation of taxi numbers is a highly emotive issue within the Hackney Carriage (Taxi) Industry.

In our experience, oversupply of Hackney Carriages is equally as perilous as undersupply; neither seems to benefit the public.

It could be argued, local authorities that regularly monitor demand, carrying out consumer questionnaires and attitude surveys regarding their taxi service, are in many ways acting more responsibly than those local authorities that issue licenses with little regard for either demand or public opinion.

The NCC news release is in our opinion speculative, based upon presumption, and offers little new evidence to the debate.

The presumption of regulated areas having longer taxi queues than those areas that don’t regulate entry, is merely guesswork. Experience tells us both limited and delimited areas at some point have periods where demand outstrips supply, just as with many other businesses within the service industry.

To suggest regulation tempts people to risk unlicensed cabs must equally suggest these illegal activities do not exist in delimited areas; this is of course, a fallacy.

Choosing to hold a consumer research survey during the third week of December, one of the busiest periods of the year for the taxi trade in both limited and delimited areas, is obviously quite remarkable, showing complete lack of understanding.

The NCC advise 2.4 million people used unlicensed cabs last year, yet fail to advise how many of the 2.4 million people did so in areas that operate numbers control. Again, the 2.4 million figure, appears to be nothing more than guesswork in this respect.

The NCC seem to be working under the illusion that local authorities regulate entry to keep taxi operators happy and content, this certainly isnt the case. The fact is local authorities are best placed to decide how they want their taxi service to operate, legislation is in place to ensure they can issue licenses as and when they deem it necessary.

We are astonished the NCC has chosen to use sources where the authors wish to remain anonymous.

To our knowledge, areas that do not restrict taxi numbers do not survey demand, it would therefore appear the NCC position has been arrived at upon a presumption of regulation automatically meaning a poorer service.

Further to the above the NCC suggest numbers control reduces the likelihood of innovation and improvements to the quality of service, this is an erroneous belief with little supporting evidence.

The National Taxi Association

For further details please contact; secretary@national-t

axi-association.co.u

k or telephone 01228 598740

Press Release

National Consumer Council Letter

The NCC claim in their letter, that Local Councils which choose to regulate taxi numbers are doing so in defiance of Department for Transport guidance. This is simply not the case. Department for Transport guidance is that where regular surveys demonstrate there is no ‘significant unmet demand’ Councils may regulate taxi numbers. While many areas have removed regulation, they tend to be the more rural areas where demand is sporadic. The majority of large metropolitan areas have either kept limits, or re-introduced regulation.

The NCC claim that regulation disadvantages consumers, and protects taxi owners from competition, yet they offer no valid evidence to support this assumption.

In areas where regulation is in place, survey data shows that consumers are not disadvantaged, in fact they benefit from the regulation of taxi numbers. This may appear at first sight to be counter-intuitive, however, closer examination explains the apparent anomaly.

Where numbers are regulated, most taxis are double-manned. One driver uses the vehicle during the day, and another driver takes over at night. This makes cost-effective use of the vehicle and its licence.

In de-regulated areas, taxi fares tend to be more expensive pro rata and drivers are able to choose to work during the day, for reasons of personal convenience & safety. This leads to lower numbers of taxis available at night and particularly at weekends, especially at periods of peak demand. This is a very important consideration, as taxis help clear the city centres late at night, thereby reducing public disorder. The greater availability of taxis at night in regulated areas actually reduces the use of unlicensed vehicles, and does not, as the NCC suggest, increase the use of unlicensed vehicles - London’s experience with the illegal minicabs illustrates this point.

Where regulation has been removed, there may be an initial increase in the number of vehicles, but the lower revenue generation per vehicle quickly leads to reduced quality of maintenance, older vehicles being kept in use, higher emission levels and a less professional trade in general. This is borne out by the survey results from those areas which regulate numbers. The greater number of vehicles during the day leads to more vehicles driving around chasing fares, increasing traffic congestion and causing increased emissions. Many cities have also experienced this problem with bus de-regulation; local authorities are increasingly turning to quality bus contracts, which are in effect re-regulation, proving that market forces alone do not suffice.

In a regulated area, the greater utilisation of each vehicle leads to newer and better maintained vehicles, producing less emissions, more professional full-time drivers and better law enforcement.

Conveniently, in areas where regulation has been removed, there are no surveys to support the assumption of the NCC that an unlimited number of licences equates to a better level of service. There are, however, a growing number of areas that have found the exact opposite to be the case, and have re-introduced regulation to address these very issues. Subsequent surveys have confirmed the fact that delimitation has not been beneficial to the travelling public.

The NCC repeatedly quote the OFT report, yet fail to mention that this report was heavily criticised by the Transport Select Committee for the poor quality of the research on which it was based.

Customer demand varies by time of day, day of week, and holiday periods, so it is inevitable that on some occasions, customers may have to queue for a taxi. This applies equally to any retail or service business which experiences fluctuating demand. Removing limits does not address this issue, as anyone who has tried to get a taxi in London (where numbers are not limited) on a Saturday night will know.

At weekends in particular, town centres and cities fill as the public travel in using various forms of public transport, over a period of several hours. As pubs and clubs close, over a short period of time, they all want to go home. As buses, trains and trams reduce service or stop for the night, the burden is placed on the taxi driver.

Taxis are a fundamental part of the transport infrastructure, and should be considered in relation to the whole of the Local transport plan, not in isolation as the NCC has done.

The NTTG dispute the NCC assumption that the value of licence plates in regulated areas indicates that customer demand is not being met, and this is again supported by the survey data. The value of plates in regulated areas merely demonstrates that a well utilised taxi can be a viable business., in which people are prepared to invest.

There needs to be a balance between the supply of taxis and customer demand. Failure to achieve balance between the two leads to poor quality of service. Local Councils, with the aid of regular surveys, are best placed to manage the situation. The NTTG believes that surveys should be carried out by all local authorities for their local transport plans whether they have limitation in place or not so as to ascertain consumer satisfaction and is surprised that the NCC appears to overlook the value to the consumer of this.

The ‘Taxi Facts’ quoted by the NCC were taken from a survey carried out in the middle of December 2006, which has not been circulated at the same time as their letter. This was, we are told, a survey of 1000 representative consumers, however this is not a representative time of year, being the immediate run-up to Christmas. Secondly, what is the relevance of consumers knowing that Councils can impose quantity controls. Do these same consumers know that local Councils set the fares for taxis, or is it likely they would assume that if there were more taxis, the fares would be lower?

The ‘rigorous research’ of the NCC in this instance seems to comprise a survey of Christmas shoppers and information from a website run by persons who prefer to remain unknown. It appears to be based largely on assumption, and does not take into account the level of taxi and other transport fares, the availability of other modes of public transport or indeed show any concession to ‘joined up transport’.


The National Taxi Trade Group 23/02/2007

For further information, please contact secretary@nttg.org.u
k
or telephone 0161 969 1149