News RSS Feed


More taxis for city

6:00pm Tuesday 11th September 2007

comment Comments (20)   Have your say »


IF YOU have ever had trouble flagging down a taxi in York fear not - councillors last night voted to increase their numbers in forthcoming years.

City of York Council's executive member for city strategy and advisory panel met in the Guildhall to discuss changes to the regulation of the taxi trade.

The council currently limits the number of hackney carriages - those that can pick up at ranks or can be hailed in the street - to 158.

The council does not limit the number of private hire cars on the city's roads.

Many local authorities have abolished caps on taxi numbers, allowing market forces to decide how many people enter the trade.

York is one of 30 per cent of councils not to deregulate the industry.

But central Government has put pressure on such local authorities to remove the restrictions, considering four options for the future:

  • To maintain the existing limit on hackney carriage licences;
  • To deregulate and thereby grant a taxi licence to anyone meeting the application criteria;
  • To grant a number of new licences to meet the unmet demand;
  • To grant a specific number of licences each year.

Councillors stopped short of full deregulation, opting for the last option, which was recommended by officers.

Alan Rowley, secretary of York Taxi Association, said: "Taxi deregulation, directly or by any other method, is not the best option for the city of York. In three words: It doesn't work.

"That's why the Government has not changed the law and has left the decision to local authorities."

He said many licensing authorities had found that although taxi numbers increase under deregulation, private hire car numbers decreased, meaning there was no guarantee that the total of the two combined would increase.

He said the move would not necessarily mean more taxis during the late night peak hours either.

He added: "There is no real evidence to show waiting times are lower in deregulated areas."

He said waiting times at York's busiest taxi rank, outside the train station, would be unaffected because the privately-owned rank, run by GNER, operated a cap of 160 taxis that are allowed to wait there.

"Further taxis would have to roam the streets of York, adding significantly to these numbers would surely be a backward step in terms of environmental issues," he said.

Last week, cabbies met to discuss the council's plans. Almost everyone in the trade is against deregulation. They endorsed the option chosen by councillors.

Coun Tracey Simpson-Laing, Labour's spokeswoman on city strategy, joined Coun Steve Galloway, the Lib Dem leader of the council, and Coun Ann Reid, the executive member for city strategy, in calling for an up-to-date survey on taxi usage at late night peak hours - as the most recent data available was for 2004 - to help guide the number of new licenses issued each year.

The issue will now be looked at by the council's licensing and regulatory committee in November.

Richard Haswell, the council's head of licensing, said new licenses could be issued in May as the old ones come up for renewal.


Your Say YourYork Press

Peter, york says...
6:11pm Tue 11 Sep 07

Seems the most sensible option, they need to make sure the new licenses are not grab by people who already have them

No News Is Good News, York says...
6:24pm Tue 11 Sep 07

Last week, cabbies met to discuss the council's plans. Almost everyone in the trade is against deregulation.

Hmm i wonder if thats because they would loose upto £60,000 per plate that they own,

No, there doing it for the enviroment, helping to reduce Yorks carbon footprint,

I dont know why people call taxi drivers greedy.

Acomb Resident, Acomb says...
7:45pm Tue 11 Sep 07

City of York Council is reminding drivers of hackney and private hire vehicles of their responsibilities under the recently-introduced Smokefree legislation.

Extract from the York City Council website:

Having recieved a visit from these 'Smoke busters' last Thursday , is it the best use of our Council Tax to have no fewer than 3 inspectors welded at the hip to do this oh so very Important role?

Does this announcement mean more smoke inspectors in teams of 3 sniffing taxis?

For gods sake !! I for one can think of many more preferred ways to use our money rather than this money wasting excercise

geobar, york says...
8:08pm Tue 11 Sep 07

At last the Council is showing some common sense, yes it needs more taxis but rather than flood the the streets with an infinite number they are going to conduct a survey to see just how many it needs well done the council

ouserower, york says...
8:12pm Tue 11 Sep 07

I was on my cycle the other week and a taxi tried reversing into me. I banged on his window before he ran me over. As I passed him he shouted out "If you weren't on a bike I'd ******* flatten you!" Well he he almost had done already! More taxi's are needed but not Blue Galaxy driving swearing taxi drivers who don't pay attention to their bad driving then blame the innocent. Can we have more tricycle rickshaws as taxis please. That will get rid of abusive obese taxi drivers giving the city a poor image.

Andy Pedantic, Haxby says...
8:21pm Tue 11 Sep 07

No News Is Good News wrote:
Last week, cabbies met to discuss the council's plans. Almost everyone in the trade is against deregulation.
Hmm i wonder if thats because they would loose upto £60,000 per plate that they own, No, there doing it for the enviroment, helping to reduce Yorks carbon footprint, I dont know why people call taxi drivers greedy.

Mr No News,

As a cab driver, I know it all, I've been there, got the badge and done it better than anyone else ever did. How on earth I've ended up driving a cab I'll never know. I should of been a surgeon or a pilot, but I'm limited by the size of my belly these days.

However, my chums and I at the taxi office would like to pull you up on two points you raised.

1. "There" indicates a place as in, "I live here not there." It is the opposite of "here." "Their" is the possessive of "they", as in "They live there but is isn't their house.". Do you see your error now?.

2. There is nothing wrong with my almost ten year old cavalier, it those buses that cause the pollution, what do they know about maintenance, the only maintenance I do to my car is to pour another litre of oil into the engine each day, what's wrong with that? There is plenty of oil in the desert.

I've got to go, I need to pick up someone from the Red Lion and take them to Bingo.

Peep peep.

No News Is Good News, York says...
8:51pm Tue 11 Sep 07

It was people like yourselves that made me decide to give up private hire driving after 12 years,
Sitting around all day talking garbage, and ripping off the good folk of York,

Hang on a minute what am i doing here?

dean, says...
1:55am Wed 12 Sep 07

They should make it one plate per person anyone with more than one has to hand them back to the council so others can get one. if they paid a large sum of money for it then it is their loss

TooRad, york says...
8:15am Wed 12 Sep 07

not Blue Galaxy driving swearing taxi drivers who don't pay attention to their bad driving then blame the innocent. Can we have more tricycle rickshaws as taxis please. That will get rid of abusive obese taxi drivers giving the city a poor image.


Hear hear! Well put ouserower!

Not Jimbob, Not York says...
10:03am Wed 12 Sep 07

Andy Pedantic,

Nice point apart from your opener "should of been a surgeon"

I think you might find that be have my learned freind.

Andy Pedantic, Haxby says...
12:01pm Wed 12 Sep 07

Jimbob,

I stand corrected.

Regards,


Andy

ohsotired, york says...
12:47pm Wed 12 Sep 07

Not Jimbob wrote:
Andy Pedantic, Nice point apart from your opener "should of been a surgeon" I think you might find that be have my learned freind.
Well done I really really hate it when people say/write should of instead of should have. shame about the freind!

Not Jimbob, Not York says...
1:44pm Wed 12 Sep 07

I know, I wrote it in a rush!

I also missed out the words 'it should' defore 'be have'.

Not Jimbob, Not York says...
1:46pm Wed 12 Sep 07

DOH!

before.

I'll get my coat.

ohsotired, york says...
2:28pm Wed 12 Sep 07

Not Jimbob wrote:
DOH! before. I'll get my coat.
more haste less speed

TruthSeeker, Elsewhere says...
2:53pm Wed 12 Sep 07

Andy Pedantic wrote:
No News Is Good News wrote:
Last week, cabbies met to discuss the council's plans. Almost everyone in the trade is against deregulation.
Hmm i wonder if thats because they would loose upto £60,000 per plate that they own, No, there doing it for the enviroment, helping to reduce Yorks carbon footprint, I dont know why people call taxi drivers greedy.
Mr No News, As a cab driver, I know it all, I've been there, got the badge and done it better than anyone else ever did. How on earth I've ended up driving a cab I'll never know. I should of been a surgeon or a pilot, but I'm limited by the size of my belly these days. However, my chums and I at the taxi office would like to pull you up on two points you raised. 1. "There" indicates a place as in, "I live here not there." It is the opposite of "here." "Their" is the possessive of "they", as in "They live there but is isn't their house.". Do you see your error now?. 2. There is nothing wrong with my almost ten year old cavalier, it those buses that cause the pollution, what do they know about maintenance, the only maintenance I do to my car is to pour another litre of oil into the engine each day, what's wrong with that? There is plenty of oil in the desert. I've got to go, I need to pick up someone from the Red Lion and take them to Bingo. Peep peep.
I like your sense of irony, Andy Pedantic.

1. "There" indicates a place as in, "I live here not there." It is the opposite of "here." "Their" is the possessive of "they", as in "They live there but is isn't their house.". Do you see your error now?.


Problem is, of course, that "there" wasn't used as a possessive; "there doing it for the environment" should in fact have used "they're" as a contraction of "they are".

There is nothing wrong with my almost ten year old cavalier, it those buses that cause the pollution, what do they know about maintenance, the only maintenance I do to my car is to pour another litre of oil into the engine each day, what's wrong with that? There is plenty of oil in the desert.


More irony, particularly as you can't get an "almost ten year old Cavalier" - I suspect the youngest Cavalier would be a teenager.

And, of course, if the council didn't let cars of this vintage on then there would be less need to restrict taxi licences in the first place. Instead, we end up with a scenario whereby the licence can easily cost ten times the value of the vehicle it's attached to.

Nice to see the usual guff from the YTA though - less vehicles overall with deregulation? That was a myth dreamt up by the T&G, but if there were less vehicles then that would mean the average income per vehicle would go up, so why would the YTA complain about this?

The answer is that it's nonsense, and in fact overall the combined number of taxis and PH vehicles is unlikely to change radically, but generally speaking both customers and drivers prefer taxis rather than private hire, because taxis can undertake either mode of hire.


Pay no rent, Scotland says...
3:45pm Wed 12 Sep 07

Why are York council allowing 10 year old sheds to run as private hire, have they no thought for public safety, the cars may well be tested but they do not have any of the newest safety features fitted, and the metal work will deform even more in an accident.
If they had any sense at all they should limit the private hire cars age to 5 years maximum.
If I required a PH and an old banger turned up I would not get into it, so I would advise anyone who calls a PH to have a look at the number plate and if its below a 52 tell them to sling there hook.
As for limiting the number of taxis to an increase of so many a year, I would get my application in now as the council is now on its back foot and anyone who wants a plate my now apply, those with plates already, need not apply and should not be given one under any circumstances.
The council must make sure that they do not use the company that carried out the Edinburgh survey as they gave false information and hardly monitored the taxis at all

geobar, york says...
4:07pm Wed 12 Sep 07

TooRad wrote:
not Blue Galaxy driving swearing taxi drivers who don't pay attention to their bad driving then blame the innocent. Can we have more tricycle rickshaws as taxis please. That will get rid of abusive obese taxi drivers giving the city a poor image.
Hear hear! Well put ouserower!
Please do not call this man a taxi driver when he was clearly a private hire driver and there is a vast difference

ohsotired, york says...
4:17pm Wed 12 Sep 07

tell them to sling there hook.


It's that there and their problem again

Andy Pedantic, Haxby says...
4:42pm Wed 12 Sep 07

I'm confused... What is this discussion about now?

1. Slothful,boorish taxi drivers.

2. Grammer, namely our poor use of the English language.





Comments are closed on this article.




Local Advertisers


Local Information

Enter your postcode, town or place name

House prices »   Schools »   Crime »   Hospitals »