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2.6m% loan rate scandal

11:00am Thursday 20th December 2007

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A LOAN with a staggering but perfectly legal interest rate of more than 2.6 million APR was offered to a desperate York woman struggling to stay afloat, The Press can reveal.

Today, York Credit Union told how it had helped the woman out of her incredible debt crisis after discovering that not only had she agreed to that internet lender's rate but another loan firm had signed her up for more than 16,000 per cent APR.

"They target the most vulnerable in society."

Mike Horncastle, manager of York Credit Union

It meant she was paying out over £800 a month on the two loans - of which nearly £700 was purely going on interest.

Today, Mike Horncastle, manager of the credit union, issued a powerful warning as tens of thousands of shoppers prepared to make their final festive purchases.

He said: "Because it is Christmas it is easy to lose the plot, but these kind of deals, be they from door-step lenders or internet companies, must be avoided plain and simple if you can no matter what the pressure."

Christmas debt warnings to shoppers as woman pays 2.5m per cent interest on loan

A desperate York woman signed up to a loan - offered perfectly legally - with an interest rate of 2.6 million per cent a year.

York Credit Union today told how it had helped the woman out of her debt crisis after learning she had not only signed up to that internet lender's staggering rate but another, which was also charging her more than 16,000 per cent APR.

In fact, she was paying more than £800 a month on the two loans, of which nearly £700 was going on interest.

Today Mike Horncastle, manager of the community bank, issued a stark Christmas warning: "No matter how much pressure you are under to get that must-have present, think twice and then again before accepting these kind of loan deals.

"As an interest rate these were scarcely believable, but these were regulated companies who are overseen by the Financial Services Authority. They were not doing anything illegal.

"However, they are targeting the most vulnerable sectors of society and, as is often the case, it is those who can least afford to pay who end up paying the most.

"Because it is Christmas it is easy to lose the plot. But these kind of deals, be they from door-step lenders or internet companies, avoid them plain and simple if you can."

The first loan, which came with an interest rate of 2,639,385.9 per cent APR, was agreed with Early Payday Loan Ltd (EPDL) based in Windsor, which lends up to £800 a time to clients.

On it website it states: "EPDL provides a clear and understandable service designed to help you manage your monthly finances."

The second loan, which came with an interest rate of 16,203.2 per cent APR, was agreed with Payday UK, based in Milton Keynes. That was for £225, but within 16 days the cost of repayment was £281.25.

Its website states: "Payday gives you money and peace of mind - just when you need it."

Both companies offer a typical interest rate of 1,355 per cent APR.

The Press spoke to a representative of Payday UK, but was told no one was available to comment. We attempted to contact EPDL, but no one was available.

In the York woman's case, York Credit Union was able to reduce her monthly outgoings from £817 to £177.

Mr Horncastle said: "It was clearly causing this woman some severe problems. I think many people simply either don't look at the APR or realise what the implications are.

"Sometimes people don't understand the emotional impact being in debt can have. People hide in their houses pretending not to be in when doorstep collectors come calling."

Today, York Citizens' Advice Bureau (CAB) also expressed concern at the enormous interest rates, which are legal because there is no statutory cap on the rates finance companies can charge.

Rosemary Suttill, the CAB's development and social policy manager, said: "It's possible to get away with such high APRs because they are very small loans of £100 to £200.

"If you tried to get that amount from a bank, even if your credit was good, they wouldn't look at you because they are only interested in lending thousands of pounds.

"I suspect that many people don't look at the APR at all. On Friday, we saw a client who said that the doorstep loans are always there when you need them.

"It's very hard to give don't borrow at Christmas advice' because we all want a little bit extra, but please try to think of the consequences for the coming year. You may enjoy Christmas, but are you going to enjoy the rest of the year?"

As an alternative to obtaining doorstep loans, she advised people to borrow money from York Credit Union, which she said lends money at considerably reduced rates.

No stopping customers at shopping centre

FEAR of getting into debt isn't putting the public off Christmas shopping, with York Designer Outlet heading for a record year.

David Aunins, retail operations manager, described the last two weekends as the busiest the centre has ever seen and the last three weeks had seen footfall in the centre, which gets about three million visitors a year, up two per cent.

He said: "We are delighted with how Christmas is coming at the York Designer Outlet, we are certainly heading for a record year here. I think the fact that we are the only covered shopping centre in the area and the 17 new shops we have added this year have contributed to a very encouraging performance."

He said the average spend of customers was up 3.6 per cent on last year, when the amount of money people spent was the same as 2005. That means this year the average spend is about £272 per customer.

Navigating through interest rate minefield

ANYONE taking out a £100 loan on the basis of the same 2.6 million per cent APR will have to pay interest of £1,503 per year; or £125 per month; or £29 per week; or £4 per day.

Jeremy Oliver, corporate finance director of York accountancy firm Garbutt & Elliott, who made the calculation, described the interest rate as "scandalous".

He said: "The annual percentage rate of charge (APR) is designed to help consumers compare the costs of similar products.

"It was introduced to prevent organisations offering apparently cheap loans then, in the small print, adding administration and other costs.

"It was meant to make the process much more transparent.

"This level of APR charged is clearly scandalous."

Anyone who wants to clarify exactly how much an APR will mean in loan repayments can use an internet calculator at www.pem.co.uk/common/calculators/loan.html

JAMES COOK asked people in York if they were afraid of getting into debt this Christmas.

Rosie Blass, 40, a lecturer, of The Groves, York, said: "I just want to consolidate a lot of things I've got. So instead of worrying about it in January, I'm sorting it out now. Coming up to Christmas, you worry and end up spending more than you planned."

Rob Racenis, 53, a laboratory manager, of Slingsby, said: "I'm not worried. I think it's just a commercial rip-off. People seem to lose it round Christmas. I'm a Scrooge, though."

Ann Loveley, 61, an auxiliary nurse, of Tang Hall, York, said: "I've been very careful this year. Sometimes I go well into my overdraft, but I started shopping much earlier this time. It's best to be careful and just get what you can afford."

Polly Meadows, 20, a student, of Bishop Burton, said: "I'm in loads of debt already, as every student is. I don't spend more at Christmas than normally, but if people do it's all right because it's not on yourself."

Where to go if you need help and support

For more information from the Citizen's Advice Bureau, phone 0870 126 4850 or log on to www.adviceguide. org.uk For advice from York Credit Union, visit www.ycu.org.uk or visit them at 15 Priory St York, YO1 6ET or phone 01904 676633.



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akuma, York says...
11:07am Thu 20 Dec 07

A desperate York woman signed up to a loan - offered perfectly legally - with an interest rate of 2.6 million per cent a year


Nothing I can say will ever top that.

jk, york says...
11:20am Thu 20 Dec 07

akuma wrote:
A desperate York woman signed up to a loan - offered perfectly legally - with an interest rate of 2.6 million per cent a year
Nothing I can say will ever top that.
Yes agreed.

I think anyone who is trying to get a loan for theese silly amounts ,probably dosn't even understand APR

If their genuinely skint and desperate you think they would get a crisis loan from DWP.
or borrow of a freind.

akuma, York says...
11:53am Thu 20 Dec 07

If their genuinely skint and desperate you think they would get a crisis loan from DWP.
or borrow of a freind.


Maybe, but crisis loans are about £20 - £90 nothing more. As for borrowing from friends, many people are too proud to admit they need help.

ah shuddupayaface, York says...
11:54am Thu 20 Dec 07

Is this a wind up. She took a loan out and had to pay more than she borrowed in the first month? I don't believe anyone could be so stupid. Its not April fools day, so i am completely flummoxed.

jk, york says...
12:13pm Thu 20 Dec 07

akuma wrote:
If their genuinely skint and desperate you think they would get a crisis loan from DWP. or borrow of a freind.
Maybe, but crisis loans are about £20 - £90 nothing more. As for borrowing from friends, many people are too proud to admit they need help.
I dont know what crisis loan limits are,

She coild have always got a capital one card ,they even give them to people on income support,
and the rates are similar to store cards,so not as shocking as the loan

Akuma are you ok today or in one of your moods?

jk, york says...
12:15pm Thu 20 Dec 07

ah shuddupayaface wrote:
Is this a wind up. She took a loan out and had to pay more than she borrowed in the first month? I don't believe anyone could be so stupid. Its not April fools day, so i am completely flummoxed.
seems unbeleivable, surly she read the small print?
I don't apply for loans but dont you have to sign an agreement,before they give you the money?

David, York says...
12:26pm Thu 20 Dec 07

I get sick of hearing about how people are 'conned' into these loans. We never hear what it was for - plasma screen, cigs, alcohol maybe??? Peopel should take responsibility for their own actions rather than bleating on afterwards and expecting sympathy.

bored, home says...
12:29pm Thu 20 Dec 07

chesney-jade must have wanted a new hoodie for chrimbo. what a fool.

pickle, york says...
12:30pm Thu 20 Dec 07

jk - your spelling is atrocious 'theese, coild,unbeleivable,s
urly...' Get yourself a dictionary lol

Gardener, York says...
12:34pm Thu 20 Dec 07

Forget postcards with Belize PRS calls, I know what I'm doing after Xmas, loans on the internet basing the site in the Cayman Islands where I'll be banking. Time to remortgage the house with the Halifax who'll lend anything to anyone to get that little xtra!

jk, york says...
12:40pm Thu 20 Dec 07

pickle wrote:
jk - your spelling is atrocious 'theese, coild,unbeleivable,s urly...' Get yourself a dictionary lol
yes i know, might just do that,

nah i dont care too busy,lol

opinion_on_everythin g, York says...
12:41pm Thu 20 Dec 07

I think I must be very old-fashioned even though I aren't out of my 20's yet... If you can't afford something, don't buy it! Honestly, I thought this story was a joke! SOme people are extraordinarily dim.

jk, york says...
12:45pm Thu 20 Dec 07

pickle wrote:
jk - your spelling is atrocious 'theese, coild,unbeleivable,s urly...' Get yourself a dictionary lol
My main problem is I am doing six things at once, Too busy and I shouldn't even be looking in here, I can spell with time and effort, Which I have neither today, Checking in later work comes first.Boring!!!!!!

Peenjay, Fromere says...
1:06pm Thu 20 Dec 07

I reckon that it was great that YCU bailed this poor woman out....regardless of her reasons for getting into the mess, in the first place.......
By the way I'd like to wish of the regular "Posters" a very merry Christmas and a happy New Year...and for God's sake........as well as your own.......make them both SAFE.
I know it's early....but I won't be around until next year (some would "that's too early".......)
See you!

oli4uk, York says...
1:17pm Thu 20 Dec 07

And I thought the 20% per month interest for a £50 loan from the second hand shop down the road was bad.(Borrow £50 this month pay back £60 next month)

A lot of people use these loans dispite how unviable they are simply because they are convenient, and look tot eh uninitiated like a good deal.

Im surprised Carol Vordeman isn't advertising them yet.

By the way I am settnig up a new loan business, Il lend you upto 200 pounds this month if you pay me back £300 next month, I will need your house as collateral.

akuma, York says...
1:20pm Thu 20 Dec 07

Akuma are you ok today or in one of your moods?


One of my moods???

Was super hungover this morning, office christmas party yestersday, I so so wasted!

Dan Noon, South West says...
1:24pm Thu 20 Dec 07

Oh how the Press twist these stories... I suggest the people reading this, with atleast an ounce of brain matter actually take a look at the web sites and the companies that offer these loans. I've used the Web site in Question 'PAYDAY UK' I knew all the ins and outs and it saved me having to pay Bank Charges of over £100, by taking the loan I saved money... The Press have a lot to answer for in these inflamatory remarks RE: APRs (Can you even put an APR on a monthly loan period?- Not too sure maybe someone can advise...)Merry Christmas All!!!

dragonian, york says...
1:37pm Thu 20 Dec 07

It only sounds like something burglar Gordon Brown would do anyway! He's robbing us every day legally.

TG, says...
1:54pm Thu 20 Dec 07

The only scandal here is that people are allowed to leave 12 or more years of schooling still this thick!

chas, suffolk says...
2:02pm Thu 20 Dec 07

I thought that the government had put a cap on these types of loans. If they haven't, then they should. What have the Office of Fair Trading got to say?

HOBBIT, at work says...
2:22pm Thu 20 Dec 07

Maybe its my enormous hangover thats making me tetchy, but I have very little sympathy for the woman, how stupid would you have to be to sign up for something like that??

Broderick, Appletree Village says...
2:33pm Thu 20 Dec 07

when i half read this article, i thought she got the loan at 2.6%, i thought thats not too bad. Maybe she made the same mistake as me?!

akuma, York says...
2:55pm Thu 20 Dec 07

Maybe its my enormous hangover


U as well?

HOBBIT, at work says...
3:05pm Thu 20 Dec 07

akuma wrote:
Maybe its my enormous hangover
U as well?
Like you would not believe, and it wasnt even a christmas party, just a quiet few, Voodoo and lots of Jagermister sounded a good idea at the time.... Am now V v Poorly and want my bed!

Littlepoo, Washington, DC (ex pat) says...
3:12pm Thu 20 Dec 07

I have no sympathy for this stupid woman. She knew what she was signing and then started crying about it afterwards to try to get someone to bail her out - standard procedure these days - get yourself into a hell of a mess and then sit back and wait for other people to help you out, and then whine about it if they take too long.

akuma, York says...
3:14pm Thu 20 Dec 07

At least you knew where you were and what you were drinking.

I have many unanswered questions.

Where was I after 10pm?

Who was I with?

How did I get home?

What time did I get home?

HOBBIT, at work says...
3:22pm Thu 20 Dec 07

akuma wrote:
At least you knew where you were and what you were drinking. I have many unanswered questions. Where was I after 10pm? Who was I with? How did I get home? What time did I get home?
Oh no, 3 of those questions still apply to me, worst of all I took the morning off to recoved, then Iv dragged myself in for the afternoon but am still booze addled so have just Facebooked all aft!

GeorgeAppleby, Clifton, York. says...
3:26pm Thu 20 Dec 07

It amazes me, how they can persuade us that the more you spend the more you save. Buy 2 get one free etc. You are paying too much in the first place. It really pays to wait. The end result; most gets thrown out. There are always cheaper alternatives, Often with better quality. It's not what you earn that counts as much as how you spend it.

the Butler, Cowichan Bay B.C Canada says...
5:08pm Thu 20 Dec 07

enough said!!

Gardener, York says...
8:11pm Thu 20 Dec 07

new loan site will be called www.moneyfornothing.
com (debts for free) apologies to Mark Knopfler for plagiarism, with an apr of a billion to catch out those who can't read zeros. We'll advertise in the intervals on all the shopping channels!

Reg, Acomb says...
10:07pm Thu 20 Dec 07

Does anyone at the press own a calculator?

Sorry, but I reckon it would be just about impossible to ever re-pay a loan if the interest rate genuinely WAS 2,600,000%. If you borrowed a hundred quid, the interest charge would be £7,000 PER DAY.

I know these doorstep lenders charge high interest rates to lend very small amounts to very high-risk customers, but 2 million percent? Makes for a good sensational headline, but I'd suggest it simoply can't be true.

chas, suffolk says...
11:08am Fri 21 Dec 07

I have looked up both of these companies. Both state how much should be repaid within one month, but neither state the penalty for not paying within the month.

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