How come people who cannot afford another house to rent out object to the people who can ??

Without these people who buy second homes we would have other people homeless and no qualified students to run UK PLC

How come people who cannot afford another house to rent out object to the people who can ??

What an inane comment! Do you have proof that the people 'objecting' can't afford to buy another property? Not everyone wants to be a property tycoon!
My only 'objection' is that I am woken up most nights by drunken people returning from clubbing - that wasn't the case when I bought the house 20 years ago!

Most of these students will not be running UK plc, as most are not from the UK

SilverSurfer wrote:

How come people who cannot afford another house to rent out object to the people who can ??

What an inane comment! Do you have proof that the people 'objecting' can't afford to buy another property? Not everyone wants to be a property tycoon! My only 'objection' is that I am woken up most nights by drunken people returning from clubbing - that wasn't the case when I bought the house 20 years ago!

Exactly, I have the same problem, which makes my life an absolute misery between getting home from work and THEM going to bed (anywhere from midnight)then I have to get up for work at 6am. Unfortunately there is no way I can afford to move. Who cares? no-one! And they wonder why people want to blow themselves up on Ouse bridge

This is a very complicated subject. The majority of houses in the Hyde Park and headingley areas in Leeds have become Buy to Let due to their proximity to the uni's. Belatedly the council has pressured the uni's to invest in new halls of residence and changed planning laws in the areas have been changed to stop attic conversions in order to minimise potential rental income and thus marginalising profitability.

The big issue is that the proprties value in these areas is based on rental income and not the quality of the accommodation. For instance, a 4 bed converted 2 up 2 down terraced close to the Uni will fetch over 200k. A similar property a little further out will only be worth 60-75% of this. Therefore, these areas will never become residential again.

The student local population also brings benefits like supporting local business' in the form of cafe's and restaurants and also the local arts cinema. Also, having lived in headingley as a worker I must say that the noise element is not that big an issue.

York council really needs to act quickly to put together a holistic sustainable planning strategy in place based to avoid the pitfalls other university towns have fallen into. What it must NOT do is simply just concentrate on stopping multi-occupancy requests.

The student local population also brings benefits like supporting local business' in the form of cafe's and restaurants and also the local arts cinema.

That doesn't help the residents of Badger Hill as these things don't exist! The 2 local junior schools are very low on numbers as the students obviously don't have children. There is a local shop but students just go to www.asda.com and get the delivery van sent round!

blackbull wrote:
Most of these students will not be running UK plc, as most are not from the UK

Are you sure about that?! Foreign students are in the minority at York University.

I think you will find that WenTworth college and surrounding halls is nearly complety made up of Chineese students, this is where the university makes millions per year paid for by foreign goverments, who in the long run will then use there skills to produce cheap goods to import back to the UK

There is a local shop but students just go to www.asda.com and get the delivery van sent round!

Were you a student SilverSurfer????

Were you a student SilverSurfer????

Not when I left school! I did a degree as a mature student when I left the forces!

mmm.. didn't think the story was about the foreign students in halls so not sure that is really relevant..

but on a more controversial note if the heslington crowd don't want expansion of the campus including lots more Halls of residence and the Badger Hill lot don't want them living there, where are they going to go????

maybe the badger hill residents and the heslington residents need to have a brawl and see who wins and the students get to live with the losers!

SilverSurfer wrote:

How come people who cannot afford another house to rent out object to the people who can ??

What an inane comment! Do you have proof that the people 'objecting' can't afford to buy another property? Not everyone wants to be a property tycoon! My only 'objection' is that I am woken up most nights by drunken people returning from clubbing - that wasn't the case when I bought the house 20 years ago!

Woken up most nights probably means once a month as I really don't think the students have the money to drink `most nights`.

Perhaps you can suggest where the students can live silver surfer ???

Also I don't think owning one more home makes anybody a property tycoon !!!

SilverSurfer - Sorry, I should have been a little clearer as except for the cinema many of these local enterprises didn't exist before the students were there.

This is why the council needs to have an overarching planning strategy rather than focus on one element of the issue. The mix of facilities and making space for them, including schools and other public and private enterprises, should be part of this.

It would be really sad if the residents of Badger Hill and the council do not learn the lessons other cities have experienced. Unfortunately for you national planning guidelines will always result in the outcome described in the article.

It is for the residents and the council to embrace the fact things will change but put measures in place that will enable a community to exist in the long term.

Woken up most nights probably means once a month.

Woken up most nights means at least 5 nights a week - and quite often 2 or 3 times a night!

I really don't think the students have the money to drink `most nights`.

I didn't say it was the same ones every night!
Sunday night was nice! People put their bins out on Sunday evenings as the collection is early Monday morning - a couple of idiot drunks decided to have fun by kicking the bins over! I learnt my lesson on this several months ago - my bin is put out as the binmen arrive!

Perhaps you can suggest where the students can live silver surfer ???

How about wherever you live so you can welcome them warmly into your life??

Does anyone else think that this will effect house prices in Badger Hill as it was/is a sort after area to live in York. But with many students moving in, the area wont be sort after as much in the future. maybe time to cash in and move me thinks??

SilverSurfer wrote:

Woken up most nights probably means once a month.

Woken up most nights means at least 5 nights a week - and quite often 2 or 3 times a night!

I really don't think the students have the money to drink `most nights`.

I didn't say it was the same ones every night! Sunday night was nice! People put their bins out on Sunday evenings as the collection is early Monday morning - a couple of idiot drunks decided to have fun by kicking the bins over! I learnt my lesson on this several months ago - my bin is put out as the binmen arrive!

Perhaps you can suggest where the students can live silver surfer ???

How about wherever you live so you can welcome them warmly into your life??

Where we live is 30% students and we have no problems with them. The row of 8 house to the left of us is all student accommodation

SilverSurfer wrote:

Woken up most nights probably means once a month.

Woken up most nights means at least 5 nights a week - and quite often 2 or 3 times a night!

I really don't think the students have the money to drink `most nights`.

I didn't say it was the same ones every night! Sunday night was nice! People put their bins out on Sunday evenings as the collection is early Monday morning - a couple of idiot drunks decided to have fun by kicking the bins over! I learnt my lesson on this several months ago - my bin is put out as the binmen arrive!

Perhaps you can suggest where the students can live silver surfer ???

How about wherever you live so you can welcome them warmly into your life??

Where we live is 30% students and we have no problems with them. The row of 8 house to the left of us is all student accommodation

SilverSurfer wrote:

Woken up most nights probably means once a month.

Woken up most nights means at least 5 nights a week - and quite often 2 or 3 times a night!

I really don't think the students have the money to drink `most nights`.

I didn't say it was the same ones every night! Sunday night was nice! People put their bins out on Sunday evenings as the collection is early Monday morning - a couple of idiot drunks decided to have fun by kicking the bins over! I learnt my lesson on this several months ago - my bin is put out as the binmen arrive!

Perhaps you can suggest where the students can live silver surfer ???

How about wherever you live so you can welcome them warmly into your life??

Where we live is 30% students and we have no problems with them. The row of 8 house to the left of us is all student accommodation

Shiny_Dave wrote:
This is a very complicated subject. The majority of houses in the Hyde Park and headingley areas in Leeds have become Buy to Let due to their proximity to the uni's. Belatedly the council has pressured the uni's to invest in new halls of residence and changed planning laws in the areas have been changed to stop attic conversions in order to minimise potential rental income and thus marginalising profitability. The big issue is that the proprties value in these areas is based on rental income and not the quality of the accommodation. For instance, a 4 bed converted 2 up 2 down terraced close to the Uni will fetch over 200k. A similar property a little further out will only be worth 60-75% of this. Therefore, these areas will never become residential again. The student local population also brings benefits like supporting local business' in the form of cafe's and restaurants and also the local arts cinema. Also, having lived in headingley as a worker I must say that the noise element is not that big an issue. York council really needs to act quickly to put together a holistic sustainable planning strategy in place based to avoid the pitfalls other university towns have fallen into. What it must NOT do is simply just concentrate on stopping multi-occupancy requests.

The plural, even of an abbreviation such as "uni" is "unis". It is not "uni's". Did you learn your spelling at a Polytechnic?

SilverSurfer wrote:

Woken up most nights probably means once a month.

Woken up most nights means at least 5 nights a week - and quite often 2 or 3 times a night!

I really don't think the students have the money to drink `most nights`.

I didn't say it was the same ones every night! Sunday night was nice! People put their bins out on Sunday evenings as the collection is early Monday morning - a couple of idiot drunks decided to have fun by kicking the bins over! I learnt my lesson on this several months ago - my bin is put out as the binmen arrive!

Perhaps you can suggest where the students can live silver surfer ???

How about wherever you live so you can welcome them warmly into your life??

How about wherever you live so you can welcome them warmly into your life??


We live in a student area ourselves and have not encountered this problem.

K White - I did in fact learn to spell at primary school and did not wait until I went to uni as generally it is a pre-requisite for any course. A forum is about ideas not spelling! Don't know about you but I'm working and don't have time to check spelling and grammar!

We live in a student area ourselves and have not encountered this problem.

Lucky you!

Students are no more likely to disturb than non-students of the same age who have just been on a night out. This story isn't about the impact of noise anyway its about the impact of lack of students during vacation periods.

SilverSurfer wrote:

We live in a student area ourselves and have not encountered this problem.

Lucky you!

I presume that comment ends the debate then SilverSurfer ??

smudge wrote:
How come people who cannot afford another house to rent out object to the people who can ?? Without these people who buy second homes we would have other people homeless and no qualified students to run UK PLC

I have to say that I think without those people who buy second homes we would find house prices much lower and young people more easily able to afford homes, as a result rents would probably also be cheaper.

Students are no more likely to disturb than non-students of the same age who have just been on a night out.

Not sure how we can compare this Elizabeth - as there are very few families left on Badger Hill! I dare say that students would NOT make as much noise if they lived at home - they wouldn't want to wake mummy and daddy! I would also doubt that there would be 8 of them getting out of 2 taxis outside a parent's house (this regularly happens outside my house).

SilverSurfer wrote:

Students are no more likely to disturb than non-students of the same age who have just been on a night out.

Not sure how we can compare this Elizabeth - as there are very few families left on Badger Hill! I dare say that students would NOT make as much noise if they lived at home - they wouldn't want to wake mummy and daddy! I would also doubt that there would be 8 of them getting out of 2 taxis outside a parent's house (this regularly happens outside my house).

They are not representative of all students. Believe it or not some students do still behave considerately. Maybe you have been unlucky.

They are not representative of all students. Believe it or not some students do still behave considerately.

I certainly wouldn't tar them all with the same brush - there's good and bad in all walks of life!

Is there no foot patrol by the local constabulary during the evening hours?

KarenWhite1978 wrote:

Shiny_Dave wrote: This is a very complicated subject. The majority of houses in the Hyde Park and headingley areas in Leeds have become Buy to Let due to their proximity to the uni's. Belatedly the council has pressured the uni's to invest in new halls of residence and changed planning laws in the areas have been changed to stop attic conversions in order to minimise potential rental income and thus marginalising profitability. The big issue is that the proprties value in these areas is based on rental income and not the quality of the accommodation. For instance, a 4 bed converted 2 up 2 down terraced close to the Uni will fetch over 200k. A similar property a little further out will only be worth 60-75% of this. Therefore, these areas will never become residential again. The student local population also brings benefits like supporting local business' in the form of cafe's and restaurants and also the local arts cinema. Also, having lived in headingley as a worker I must say that the noise element is not that big an issue. York council really needs to act quickly to put together a holistic sustainable planning strategy in place based to avoid the pitfalls other university towns have fallen into. What it must NOT do is simply just concentrate on stopping multi-occupancy requests.

The plural, even of an abbreviation such as "uni" is "unis". It is not "uni's". Did you learn your spelling at a Polytechnic?

And where did you learn your condesending, look down your nose at other people attitude?

Vic, that's what Karen White 1978 does. Just waits for folk to miss out a comma or use an apostrophe in the wrong place, then pulls them up on it.
Little bit sad, but there you go!