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11:00am Tuesday 11th March 2008
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TWO animal rights campaigners thought to be involved in protests against a York restaurant have been arrested on suspicion of harassment.
North Yorkshire Police said today that a number of items were also seized as part of an investigation.
A spokeswoman said that the two people who were arrested were a 40-year-old man and a 32-year-old woman.
They were suspected of harassment "relating to an incident connected to a restaurant in York".
She said both had been released on police bail while inquiries continued.
A number of allegations have been made on the Animal Liberation Front's (ALF) website about police officers' alleged conduct during the arrests.
The website carries a request for supporters to email North Yorkshire Police's professional standards.
Postings on the site claim the arrests related to the sustained campaign by YAFA (York Action for Animals) against the sale of foie gras by the Blue Bicycle restaurant in Fossgate.
YAFA organised a series of demonstrations outside the restaurant, which it said was the last in York to sell the controversial paté.
Earlier this month, it claimed victory, saying foie gras had been dropped from the menu.
But the Blue Bicycle said although the dish had gone from its main menu, it was still available on the specials board and for outside catering contracts, and it could reappear on the main menu in the future.
It is claimed on the ALF site that a property was raided by police under a search warrant issued in relation to unproven allegations of a "harrassing" phone call made on New Years Eve.
It is also claimed that items removed from the property included computers, mobile phones, a video camera and magazines and that cars were also searched.
Another posting on the website contains information on how to avoid "sensitive" information - for example about an "upcoming illegal project" - being obtained from computers when raided by the authorities.
The police spokeswoman said because two arrests had been made, the force would be unable to make any further comment.
A spokeswoman for the Blue Bicycle declined to comment.
Campaigners 'shocked' by the news
Alan Swain, spokesperson for YAFA, said today that news of the arrests had come as a shock.
"YAFA is a peaceful, law-abiding organisation committed to bringing about change through the democratic process," he said. "We exercise our right of peaceful protest, and have worked very closely with North Yorkshire Police throughout our demonstrations to keep them fully appraised of our plans. We have developed a positive working relationship with the police and are proud that our demonstrations have always passed without incident.
"We have been made aware that two of our members have been arrested in correction with a complaint of harassment.
"We understand that these complaints do not relate to our demonstrations, and the two individuals deny any wrongdoing," he said.
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Joe, York says...
11:17am Tue 11 Mar 08
bjb, York says...
11:46am Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler, york says...
12:00pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Jason, says...
12:07pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Bemused, says...
12:07pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Posted by: franky, york on 11:09am today
Breaking news... I know a few ex-contributers that will be well pleased ;-)
And some current ones.
GoodramgateTerrier, York says...
12:19pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Bemused wrote:Amen to that!
Posted by: franky, york on 11:09am today Breaking news... I know a few ex-contributers that will be well pleased ;-)And some current ones.
GoodramgateTerrier, York says...
12:27pm Tue 11 Mar 08
oli4uk, York says...
12:38pm Tue 11 Mar 08
A spokeswoman said that the two people who were arrested were a 40-year-old man and a 32-year-old woman.
They were suspected of harassment "relating to an incident connected to a restaurant in York".
"We have been made aware that two of our members have been arrested in correction with a complaint of harassment.
"We understand that these complaints do not relate to our demonstrations, and the two individuals deny any wrongdoing," he said.
Slight Conflict?
Considering the man saying that the YAFA is a peacefull law abiding organisation im surprised he has been inviting ALF speakers andlinking to some of their organisations. As well as having members of his peaceful organisation commenting on how best to hide information on upcoming illegal activities.
They dont seem to realise that the police can browse your internet history even after it has been deleted and you store 'decoy data' on an external hard drive.
I doubt the majority of the YAFA are related to the terrorist events, its nice to have some support in showing them that not the entirity of their organisation is above board.
I think the pro YAFA people tired of being called mentalists by the majority of the board. As far as im aware though DinoFun is stil around and Barnaby seems to have a soft spot for them, or a soft spot for arguing, one or the other.
bobby_spray, york says...
12:43pm Tue 11 Mar 08
do we have any pro yafa people still around?I've been away for a while so have missed the gossip and drama
they'll be along later on. Cashing their Giros no doubt.
andyb2, york says...
12:57pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bjb, York says...
1:38pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Bemused wrote:Hear hear!
Posted by: franky, york on 11:09am today Breaking news... I know a few ex-contributers that will be well pleased ;-)And some current ones.
SilverSurfer, Surfing says...
1:40pm Tue 11 Mar 08
It will be interesting to see, should the 2 individuals be convicted, if YAFA will cancel their membership publicly.No chance! They'll have a medal struck in their honour and then ask Blanchard or that guy with the strange facial hair to present it!
oli4uk, York says...
1:43pm Tue 11 Mar 08
YORKIE, york says...
1:54pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris, york says...
2:01pm Tue 11 Mar 08
andyb2, york says...
2:31pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris, york says...
2:31pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler wrote:by the way..any proof for these comments?
Stupid hippys!!! All they do is waste our money and cause disturbance. The public hate them and they only represent a hand full of people!
kaka morris, york says...
2:32pm Tue 11 Mar 08
andyb2, york says...
2:33pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris, york says...
2:34pm Tue 11 Mar 08
andyb2, york says...
2:37pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris, york says...
2:38pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler, york says...
2:43pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:Yeah read the comments on here for a start!
bobby dazzler wrote: Stupid hippys!!! All they do is waste our money and cause disturbance. The public hate them and they only represent a hand full of people!by the way..any proof for these comments?
kaka morris, york says...
2:48pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler, york says...
2:52pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:Did i say they were? I'm saying why the hell should i pay my tax for police officers to supervise a pointless protest when they should be out stopping crime. People have the right to sell what they want and will continue to do so while it is popular. Its their right!!! it shouldn't be the protestors right to stand outside trying to ruin their business for making a living and contributing to society!
hippies are not terminally cruel to animals and then scoff them
D Armstrong, the farm says...
2:55pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris, york says...
2:55pm Tue 11 Mar 08
andyb2, york says...
2:56pm Tue 11 Mar 08
I hardly think people who post on these threads are representative. I`m willing to accept that YAFA have a right to peaceful protest, it comes with being a democracy.
kaka morris, york says...
2:57pm Tue 11 Mar 08
D Armstrong wrote:dealings????
i have had dealings with these people and their manner is terrible and nothing short of threatening, about time they were banged up.
oh dear, were you stopped from filling your face with the delicacy or perhaps you were chased for wearing a fur hat...diddyms
kaka morris, york says...
3:01pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler wrote:sorry but "pointless" protest..It is NOT pointless, it is very important to stop this revolting trend
kaka morris wrote: hippies are not terminally cruel to animals and then scoff themDid i say they were? I'm saying why the hell should i pay my tax for police officers to supervise a pointless protest when they should be out stopping crime. People have the right to sell what they want and will continue to do so while it is popular. Its their right!!! it shouldn't be the protestors right to stand outside trying to ruin their business for making a living and contributing to society!
bobby dazzler, york says...
3:02pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:Look i'll agree it is a nasty dish. But people like it and it is their right to eat it. It is not fair to stand outside somebodys property(business) with the aim to deter people away. It is not piecefull protest rather unethical protest. The over paid are usually over paid for a reason and it would be intetesting to see how much of the "over paid" actually ate the dish. The protest should have been held away rom the premesis full stop.
I agree with all EXCEPT why this nasty and cruel food?? There are so many kinds of meat available,,this to me seems a barbaric way to serve this dish..demanded by as I ..over fed and over paid "must haves"
bobby dazzler, york says...
3:04pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:It was pointless you can protest all you want people do what they want!!! its a well known dish which people enjoy. Would you tell the spanish to drop it with their new methords? i think not! the only thing the to scruffy looking tree huggers were doing was putting people off THEIR foo because of the smell!
bobby dazzler wrote:sorry but "pointless" protest..It is NOT pointless, it is very important to stop this revolting trendkaka morris wrote: hippies are not terminally cruel to animals and then scoff themDid i say they were? I'm saying why the hell should i pay my tax for police officers to supervise a pointless protest when they should be out stopping crime. People have the right to sell what they want and will continue to do so while it is popular. Its their right!!! it shouldn't be the protestors right to stand outside trying to ruin their business for making a living and contributing to society!
kaka morris, york says...
3:05pm Tue 11 Mar 08
It is a serious protest about a meat which really has no place in today's world. The cruel trade of raising poor miserable chickens for slaughter has had a rethink so why not stop this and nip it in the bud. There is TONS of lovely meat available which has been bred and cared for ethically for our comsumption....
D Armstrong, says...
3:05pm Tue 11 Mar 08
oh dear, were you stopped from filling your face with the delicacy or perhaps you were chased for wearing a fur hat...diddyms
No they sent a letter to me full of propoganda and their views,I prefer freedom of choice not forced opinion. PS I not only weaer a fur hat whilst eating, I also wear leather shoes each day !! poor moo cows eh
Ghost in the machine, Trapped in cyber space says...
3:06pm Tue 11 Mar 08
franky wrote:Yep.
Breaking news... I know a few ex-contributers that will be well pleased ;-)
Good news indeed.
Maybe they will finally stop harrasing innocent business people.
bobby dazzler, york says...
3:06pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:Ha how do you have the cheek to even have a go at people like that! We let you have your views and we put up with the protesting and i agree with his comments you try to persuade people and imply guilt on them for soing certain things. If your so against the dish buy become a "over paid" and buy the place out!
D Armstrong wrote: i have had dealings with these people and their manner is terrible and nothing short of threatening, about time they were banged up.dealings???? oh dear, were you stopped from filling your face with the delicacy or perhaps you were chased for wearing a fur hat...diddyms
Voice Of reason, says...
3:07pm Tue 11 Mar 08
It was freely available to read online on Sunday. i reckon they've been copying other people's work.
kaka morris, york says...
3:08pm Tue 11 Mar 08
D Armstrong, York says...
3:09pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Maybe they will finally stop harrasing innocent business people
Here here !!
bobby dazzler, york says...
3:10pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:It was on a wide spread tv program! i saw it ages ago along with most other people.
maybe not all people are actually aware what it is and how it gets to their table....I didn't really know til I saw an article on it in the Mail, I was suprised and horrified and now am very aware of avoiding it!
kaka morris, york says...
3:10pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler wrote:SIMPLE answer..ask the owner to have some decency and be satisfied with his obvious large profits....stop making money out of misery when there ate SO many other choices available.
kaka morris wrote:Ha how do you have the cheek to even have a go at people like that! We let you have your views and we put up with the protesting and i agree with his comments you try to persuade people and imply guilt on them for soing certain things. If your so against the dish buy become a "over paid" and buy the place out!D Armstrong wrote: i have had dealings with these people and their manner is terrible and nothing short of threatening, about time they were banged up.dealings???? oh dear, were you stopped from filling your face with the delicacy or perhaps you were chased for wearing a fur hat...diddyms
bobby dazzler, york says...
3:10pm Tue 11 Mar 08
D Armstrong wrote:haha i actually just laughed out loud.
dealings????oh dear, were you stopped from filling your face with the delicacy or perhaps you were chased for wearing a fur hat...diddyms No they sent a letter to me full of propoganda and their views,I prefer freedom of choice not forced opinion. PS I not only weaer a fur hat whilst eating, I also wear leather shoes each day !! poor moo cows eh
andyb2, york says...
3:13pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris, york says...
3:13pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler wrote:SO...STOP eating it and perpetuating the cruelty...have a nice organic steak and enjoy it!!
kaka morris wrote: maybe not all people are actually aware what it is and how it gets to their table....I didn't really know til I saw an article on it in the Mail, I was suprised and horrified and now am very aware of avoiding it!It was on a wide spread tv program! i saw it ages ago along with most other people.
bobby dazzler, york says...
3:14pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:No its not!!! Its called freedom to do what the hell you like! you dont like move! Its their right to sell the dish! You asked them and they kindly( i wouldn't have done) removed it from their main menu but they still get harrassed by goons stood outside runing their business. Would you like it i they did that to you( if you have a business)
bobby dazzler wrote:SIMPLE answer..ask the owner to have some decency and be satisfied with his obvious large profits....stop making money out of misery when there ate SO many other choices available.kaka morris wrote:Ha how do you have the cheek to even have a go at people like that! We let you have your views and we put up with the protesting and i agree with his comments you try to persuade people and imply guilt on them for soing certain things. If your so against the dish buy become a "over paid" and buy the place out!D Armstrong wrote: i have had dealings with these people and their manner is terrible and nothing short of threatening, about time they were banged up.dealings???? oh dear, were you stopped from filling your face with the delicacy or perhaps you were chased for wearing a fur hat...diddyms
kaka morris, york says...
3:14pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler wrote:why?
D Armstrong wrote: dealings????haha i actually just laughed out loud.oh dear, were you stopped from filling your face with the delicacy or perhaps you were chased for wearing a fur hat...diddyms No they sent a letter to me full of propoganda and their views,I prefer freedom of choice not forced opinion. PS I not only weaer a fur hat whilst eating, I also wear leather shoes each day !! poor moo cows eh
D Armstrong, York says...
3:15pm Tue 11 Mar 08
haha i actually just laughed out loud.I am delighted I brightened your day up, going now as need to feed my geese before I go home. Quack quack
kaka morris, york says...
3:17pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris, york says...
3:18pm Tue 11 Mar 08
D Armstrong, York says...
3:20pm Tue 11 Mar 08
pea sarnie,,,reallyy!!)I hope the peas are not the ones grown in a tiny shell and then seperated from their families before being frozen.
bobby dazzler, york says...
3:20pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:Because its ok for you lot to try make us feel guilty for what we do, wear and eat. You tried to call armstrong a over paid pig who had his meal ruined and you got the didums thrown back in your face. As for the dish i do not eat it. But people do and it is their right to. The fact you try to persuade them not to beacuse of your views is wrong. How do you know that the dish is not made in the same way as the spanish make it? You do not have the right to tell people what to do. Fiar play protest but not in a way harmful to a small business or where people are trying to enjoy their day off WORK!!!
bobby dazzler wrote:why?D Armstrong wrote: dealings????haha i actually just laughed out loud.oh dear, were you stopped from filling your face with the delicacy or perhaps you were chased for wearing a fur hat...diddyms No they sent a letter to me full of propoganda and their views,I prefer freedom of choice not forced opinion. PS I not only weaer a fur hat whilst eating, I also wear leather shoes each day !! poor moo cows eh
kaka morris, york says...
3:21pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler wrote:why not just remove it and stop pandering to the fat bellied, drooling, and ignorant
kaka morris wrote:No its not!!! Its called freedom to do what the hell you like! you dont like move! Its their right to sell the dish! You asked them and they kindly( i wouldn't have done) removed it from their main menu but they still get harrassed by goons stood outside runing their business. Would you like it i they did that to you( if you have a business)bobby dazzler wrote:SIMPLE answer..ask the owner to have some decency and be satisfied with his obvious large profits....stop making money out of misery when there ate SO many other choices available.kaka morris wrote:Ha how do you have the cheek to even have a go at people like that! We let you have your views and we put up with the protesting and i agree with his comments you try to persuade people and imply guilt on them for soing certain things. If your so against the dish buy become a "over paid" and buy the place out!D Armstrong wrote: i have had dealings with these people and their manner is terrible and nothing short of threatening, about time they were banged up.dealings???? oh dear, were you stopped from filling your face with the delicacy or perhaps you were chased for wearing a fur hat...diddyms
self centred punters who no doubt will next be demanding well fed, 3 week old humans
andyb2, york says...
3:22pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler, york says...
3:22pm Tue 11 Mar 08
D Armstrong wrote:It is!!! its the same peas that are force fed pestersides and acid rain! its descusting!!
pea sarnie,,,reallyy!!)I hope the peas are not the ones grown in a tiny shell and then seperated from their families before being frozen.
kaka morris, york says...
3:23pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler, york says...
3:24pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:You are so stereo typical!!! They earn money wow be nice if the protestors did instead of costing us money! It is not your choice to remove the dish!!! it is their right to eat it! the only negativity is you trying to make out that a load of fat cats sit down and scoff 5 a day when in reality i think its more like 5 a week.
bobby dazzler wrote:why not just remove it and stop pandering to the fat bellied, drooling, and ignorant self centred punters who no doubt will next be demanding well fed, 3 week old humanskaka morris wrote:No its not!!! Its called freedom to do what the hell you like! you dont like move! Its their right to sell the dish! You asked them and they kindly( i wouldn't have done) removed it from their main menu but they still get harrassed by goons stood outside runing their business. Would you like it i they did that to you( if you have a business)bobby dazzler wrote:SIMPLE answer..ask the owner to have some decency and be satisfied with his obvious large profits....stop making money out of misery when there ate SO many other choices available.kaka morris wrote:Ha how do you have the cheek to even have a go at people like that! We let you have your views and we put up with the protesting and i agree with his comments you try to persuade people and imply guilt on them for soing certain things. If your so against the dish buy become a "over paid" and buy the place out!D Armstrong wrote: i have had dealings with these people and their manner is terrible and nothing short of threatening, about time they were banged up.dealings???? oh dear, were you stopped from filling your face with the delicacy or perhaps you were chased for wearing a fur hat...diddyms
Voice of reason, York says...
3:24pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Posted by: Voice Of reason
NOT the real one.
That would be me.
Noted & reported (again!)
D Armstrong, York says...
3:26pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris, york says...
3:29pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler wrote:5 times...too many!!
kaka morris wrote:You are so stereo typical!!! They earn money wow be nice if the protestors did instead of costing us money! It is not your choice to remove the dish!!! it is their right to eat it! the only negativity is you trying to make out that a load of fat cats sit down and scoff 5 a day when in reality i think its more like 5 a week.bobby dazzler wrote:why not just remove it and stop pandering to the fat bellied, drooling, and ignorant self centred punters who no doubt will next be demanding well fed, 3 week old humanskaka morris wrote:No its not!!! Its called freedom to do what the hell you like! you dont like move! Its their right to sell the dish! You asked them and they kindly( i wouldn't have done) removed it from their main menu but they still get harrassed by goons stood outside runing their business. Would you like it i they did that to you( if you have a business)bobby dazzler wrote:SIMPLE answer..ask the owner to have some decency and be satisfied with his obvious large profits....stop making money out of misery when there ate SO many other choices available.kaka morris wrote:Ha how do you have the cheek to even have a go at people like that! We let you have your views and we put up with the protesting and i agree with his comments you try to persuade people and imply guilt on them for soing certain things. If your so against the dish buy become a "over paid" and buy the place out!D Armstrong wrote: i have had dealings with these people and their manner is terrible and nothing short of threatening, about time they were banged up.dealings???? oh dear, were you stopped from filling your face with the delicacy or perhaps you were chased for wearing a fur hat...diddyms
kaka morris, york says...
3:31pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler, york says...
3:32pm Tue 11 Mar 08
oli4uk, York says...
3:32pm Tue 11 Mar 08
The public hate them and they only represent a hand full of people!
There is a strong trend of residents in York who are not in support of the YAFA currently, and while unnecessary cruelty is frowned upon cooking for food is a different scenario.
The production of foie gras is not always as bad as people make out. I have seen first hand gesse running to be fed by foie gras methods, the tubes rarely damage the geese since they are worth so much and they are treated with care because in teh later stages they become more prone to disease.
Admittedly there ahve been some farms where cruelty was rife, but these were for the most part shut down in the late 90's when there was a protest by farmers because the minority were ruining the image of the majority.
Unfortunately campaigns from the likes of PETA humanised the process, making it appear to the public tht the animals were practically choked to death on corn. PLease people geese do not have a gag reflex, they can swallow large fish whole, a small tube barely discomforts or stretetches the throat.
Generalising all foie gras farms as evil and inhumane is just the same as some commenters calling the supporters of the ban hippies, smelly and disgusting.
The only time there is any really cruelty in foie gras is when farm staff are violent, this could occur in any situation. I do not judge the entire animal rights group on the ALF, so please do not judge all Foie Gras farms on the limited number of old videos out there.
kaka morris, york says...
3:33pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris, york says...
3:34pm Tue 11 Mar 08
oli4uk wrote:thank you, very interesting
The public hate them and they only represent a hand full of people!There is a strong trend of residents in York who are not in support of the YAFA currently, and while unnecessary cruelty is frowned upon cooking for food is a different scenario. The production of foie gras is not always as bad as people make out. I have seen first hand gesse running to be fed by foie gras methods, the tubes rarely damage the geese since they are worth so much and they are treated with care because in teh later stages they become more prone to disease. Admittedly there ahve been some farms where cruelty was rife, but these were for the most part shut down in the late 90's when there was a protest by farmers because the minority were ruining the image of the majority. Unfortunately campaigns from the likes of PETA humanised the process, making it appear to the public tht the animals were practically choked to death on corn. PLease people geese do not have a gag reflex, they can swallow large fish whole, a small tube barely discomforts or stretetches the throat. Generalising all foie gras farms as evil and inhumane is just the same as some commenters calling the supporters of the ban hippies, smelly and disgusting. The only time there is any really cruelty in foie gras is when farm staff are violent, this could occur in any situation. I do not judge the entire animal rights group on the ALF, so please do not judge all Foie Gras farms on the limited number of old videos out there.
bobby dazzler, york says...
3:35pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:Because if they were they would be doing more then standing outside! Trying to persuade people! That and it would contodict what you were saying earlier about all the fat cats filling their faces( which implies that there would not be two stood outside protesting) you think that because people are rich they are cruel to animals this is not the case! the richer you are the more humane and quality food you can buy instead of the chicken farmed meat at 2 pound a pop!
HOW do you know the protesters are not high paid fat cats on their day off??
Ghost in the machine, Trapped in cyber space says...
3:36pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:Nope.
Well I am astounded by the negativity....IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT IS FOR THE PROTEST???? I will return to see later after I have had my tea (mashed potato and pea sarnie,,,reallyy!!)
You've come to the wrong place for support about protesting.
You should see what been written about it on the "other" site!
D Armstrong, York says...
3:37pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler, york says...
3:38pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:Hence what i've been trying to tell you! but no you are in the right and all people who eat something they like are in the wrong!
oli4uk wrote:thank you, very interestingThe public hate them and they only represent a hand full of people!There is a strong trend of residents in York who are not in support of the YAFA currently, and while unnecessary cruelty is frowned upon cooking for food is a different scenario. The production of foie gras is not always as bad as people make out. I have seen first hand gesse running to be fed by foie gras methods, the tubes rarely damage the geese since they are worth so much and they are treated with care because in teh later stages they become more prone to disease. Admittedly there ahve been some farms where cruelty was rife, but these were for the most part shut down in the late 90's when there was a protest by farmers because the minority were ruining the image of the majority. Unfortunately campaigns from the likes of PETA humanised the process, making it appear to the public tht the animals were practically choked to death on corn. PLease people geese do not have a gag reflex, they can swallow large fish whole, a small tube barely discomforts or stretetches the throat. Generalising all foie gras farms as evil and inhumane is just the same as some commenters calling the supporters of the ban hippies, smelly and disgusting. The only time there is any really cruelty in foie gras is when farm staff are violent, this could occur in any situation. I do not judge the entire animal rights group on the ALF, so please do not judge all Foie Gras farms on the limited number of old videos out there.
Jason, says...
3:44pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Miss Amelia Rate, YORK says...
3:51pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:I am for "protest", not this one in particular but in general. Once we are no longer allowed to protest freely this country is doooomed.
Well I am astounded by the negativity....IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT IS FOR THE PROTEST???? I will return to see later after I have had my tea (mashed potato and pea sarnie,,,reallyy!!)
AdmiralN, York Centre says...
3:54pm Tue 11 Mar 08
like, Venison, Turtle, Tadpole (soup is wonderful), octopus, wild boar, Horse, Bear, tiger, sea lion and reindeer are all very nice!!!
bobby dazzler, york says...
3:54pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Miss Amelia Rate wrote:Agreed! Some protests can be benificial. But trying to persuade customers not to go into a resturant is wrong. Also the hethrow runway ones. Its the way they are carried out. It wastes so much money!
kaka morris wrote: Well I am astounded by the negativity....IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT IS FOR THE PROTEST???? I will return to see later after I have had my tea (mashed potato and pea sarnie,,,reallyy!!)I am for "protest", not this one in particular but in general. Once we are no longer allowed to protest freely this country is doooomed.
bobby dazzler, york says...
4:07pm Tue 11 Mar 08
andyb2 wrote:No thats cars... the things that make the sound before running over geese.
Do geese quack? I thought they honked.
bjb, York says...
4:20pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Voice of reason wrote:Voice of reason.
Posted by: Voice Of reasonNOT the real one. That would be me. Noted & reported (again!)
I pointed out earlier whom I believed this was and it got pulled by the press.
I think he is a bigger friend of the press than he tries to make out.
franky, york says...
4:21pm Tue 11 Mar 08
If he claims he left the T for Treason out, then why doesn't he register and use the intended name for clairty?
TheManWithTheFuManch
uMoustache, LaLa land says...
4:26pm Tue 11 Mar 08
bobby dazzler wrote:Agreed as well! If you want to protest about foie gras then fair enough - it's an issue of animal welfare and quite controversial - but go to France and the farms that produce it rather than picking on a random restaurant and it's customers.
Miss Amelia Rate wrote:Agreed! Some protests can be benificial. But trying to persuade customers not to go into a resturant is wrong. Also the hethrow runway ones. Its the way they are carried out. It wastes so much money!kaka morris wrote: Well I am astounded by the negativity....IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT IS FOR THE PROTEST???? I will return to see later after I have had my tea (mashed potato and pea sarnie,,,reallyy!!)I am for "protest", not this one in particular but in general. Once we are no longer allowed to protest freely this country is doooomed.
Lamplighter, says...
4:45pm Tue 11 Mar 08
hmmmmm, York says...
4:51pm Tue 11 Mar 08
TW, Wrong Planet says...
5:02pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris, york says...
5:56pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Why can't you see it is just not acceptable!!! Ban it now...
kaka morris, york says...
5:59pm Tue 11 Mar 08
AdmiralN wrote:well my final comment (as I am severely disgruntled) is that all the UK should be MADE to go vege!!..and I mean it..goodbye
Well i like Fois Gras, and there are other delicious meats available to as kaka says. like, Venison, Turtle, Tadpole (soup is wonderful), octopus, wild boar, Horse, Bear, tiger, sea lion and reindeer are all very nice!!!
Chris P, says...
6:05pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Redundant Pronoun, Northwest of York says...
6:14pm Tue 11 Mar 08
So, it turns out that one of the vegan world's most respected authority (Dr Gabriel Cousins) doesn't think it's an 'ideal' diet as it would appear that if you don't get enough B12, then it turns you into a pasty-faced, feeble minded weakling.
AND....all those algae versions of B12 aren't good enough.
AND...if you have a baby and don't supplement the child with B12, then you deserve a very nasty punishment.
"See Modernforager.com
kaka morris, york says...
6:21pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Bemused, says...
7:55pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Posted by: Chris P on 6:05pm today
LOL i thought the Press weren't allowed to print stories against YAFA. Shows what some of the muppets on here think! Duh!
With this story the Press have a credibility problem if they don't print it. Don't expect the comments to last though.
kaka morris, york says...
9:18pm Tue 11 Mar 08
my opinion, york says...
9:26pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Bemused wrote:total crap as usual you and steve have been proved wrong on this one,credibility problem?? LOL
Posted by: Chris P on 6:05pm today LOL i thought the Press weren't allowed to print stories against YAFA. Shows what some of the muppets on here think! Duh!With this story the Press have a credibility problem if they don't print it. Don't expect the comments to last though.
my opinion, york says...
9:43pm Tue 11 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:Steven Bradley aka rust never sleeps was using the excuse that the press were either YAFA sympathisers or they were too scared to print anything that might upset YAFA
what do you mean about the press and YAFA??
The truth is he was an attention seeking pain in the rear and he had been warned,but unable to abide by the rules they removed him, and not before time too.
FACT!!
TooRad, york says...
9:58pm Tue 11 Mar 08
As long as the rules of consumer capitalism apply, it's acceptable? If it's available to buy then it's my choice and automatically precluded from any moral debate? Because economics is and always has been an ethical and fair system with the best interests of all parties at it's very core?
*cough******cough*
Now if you don't mind i'm off out to buy some heroin, an uzi, and a teenage prostitute and if any fascist hippy protester tries to stop me and force their dirty soapdodging opinion down my throat i'll "go at them with a meat cleaver" or something.
Chris P, says...
10:58pm Tue 11 Mar 08
I agree with andy the Blue Bicycle does very nice fish.
TitsMcGee, Selby says...
1:30pm Wed 12 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:The restaurant's still serving it, and the protestors ended up getting nicked! I wouldn't exactly call it a job well done.
bobby dazzler wrote:sorry but "pointless" protest..It is NOT pointless, it is very important to stop this revolting trendkaka morris wrote: hippies are not terminally cruel to animals and then scoff themDid i say they were? I'm saying why the hell should i pay my tax for police officers to supervise a pointless protest when they should be out stopping crime. People have the right to sell what they want and will continue to do so while it is popular. Its their right!!! it shouldn't be the protestors right to stand outside trying to ruin their business for making a living and contributing to society!
TitsMcGee, Selby says...
1:37pm Wed 12 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:Does this re-think involve anything actually being done. The problem has been highlighted, but only because celebrities stepped in. People who have never worked in a place like this seem to have a bubble round their head. Force fed or not no animals reared for slaughter cared for, they are mearly kept alive and bulked up until they are ready for slaughter.
it would do no good to proyest half a mile away??? It is a serious protest about a meat which really has no place in today's world. The cruel trade of raising poor miserable chickens for slaughter has had a rethink so why not stop this and nip it in the bud. There is TONS of lovely meat available which has been bred and cared for ethically for our comsumption....
TitsMcGee, Selby says...
3:15pm Wed 12 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:Give it some flower power son. Ya pasty weirdo!
WHY is it presumed vege's are weak and pasty,,,I am robust, rotund, strong and a vege!!!!!
bobby dazzler, york says...
3:20pm Wed 12 Mar 08
kaka morris wrote:YOUR A FREAK!!! GET A LIFE!!! NOBODY AGRESS WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU A NUT JOB!!! AND WRONG!!!!
AdmiralN wrote: Well i like Fois Gras, and there are other delicious meats available to as kaka says. like, Venison, Turtle, Tadpole (soup is wonderful), octopus, wild boar, Horse, Bear, tiger, sea lion and reindeer are all very nice!!!well my final comment (as I am severely disgruntled) is that all the UK should be MADE to go vege!!..and I mean it..goodbye
Stalker, york says...
3:35pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Steven McLean, says...
9:19am Thu 13 Mar 08
bobby dazzler wrote:Stupid hippys??
Stupid hippys!!! All they do is waste our money and cause disturbance. The public hate them and they only represent a hand full of people!
From what i have seen .. these people are well dressed, well mannered and very caring people who come from all walks of life!! ..
I really am baffled as to why you refer to them as Hyppies .. do you have a serious sight impairment?? .. that would explain it!
As for the public hating them .. let me correct you .. the public admire them for their caring enough to make a courageous stand against the abuse that goes on ..
Lets face it .. they are not cowards like yourself .. they don't hide away .. they get out there and do their best to make wrongs right!!
As for wasting your money .. where do you get that from??
Steven McLean, says...
9:26am Thu 13 Mar 08
bobby_spray wrote:Well here we come ..
do we have any pro yafa people still around?I've been away for a while so have missed the gossip and dramathey'll be along later on. Cashing their Giros no doubt.
My apologies though .. i don't have any giros to cash because unlike you critics on here .. i work for a living!
bobby dazzler, york says...
9:41am Thu 13 Mar 08
Steven McLean wrote:Ha i think it is your sight that is impaired! do you see one comment on this sight sticking up for the hippies? no. The wasiting money comes from the police offices employed to either keep an eye on your protests or to arrest you for no reson. And are you blind how are scruffy combats well dressed(maybe that is smart for a hippy) The public hate them for trying to force their views on us!! We are not dumb we are aware of issue but we happend to like some things in life you dont. We dont preach to you about how good plane travel is do we? As for me hiding away as you dont know who i am or what i do i find this hard to take! If i don't like something i do summit about it! I.e go to the supplier not the small business that supplies it to poeple that want it! Well mannerard as in standing out outside a resturant trying to put people who want to ea nice food off!!! you've lost the plot!!! Not one of your arguments againt me even stand up so do one!!
bobby dazzler wrote: Stupid hippys!!! All they do is waste our money and cause disturbance. The public hate them and they only represent a hand full of people!Stupid hippys?? From what i have seen .. these people are well dressed, well mannered and very caring people who come from all walks of life!! .. I really am baffled as to why you refer to them as Hyppies .. do you have a serious sight impairment?? .. that would explain it! As for the public hating them .. let me correct you .. the public admire them for their caring enough to make a courageous stand against the abuse that goes on .. Lets face it .. they are not cowards like yourself .. they don't hide away .. they get out there and do their best to make wrongs right!! As for wasting your money .. where do you get that from??
Steven McLean, says...
9:52am Thu 13 Mar 08
bobby dazzler wrote:Kaka morris .. don't be too hard on yourself .. you did a great job!
kaka morris wrote:YOUR A FREAK!!! GET A LIFE!!! NOBODY AGRESS WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU A NUT JOB!!! AND WRONG!!!!AdmiralN wrote: Well i like Fois Gras, and there are other delicious meats available to as kaka says. like, Venison, Turtle, Tadpole (soup is wonderful), octopus, wild boar, Horse, Bear, tiger, sea lion and reindeer are all very nice!!!well my final comment (as I am severely disgruntled) is that all the UK should be MADE to go vege!!..and I mean it..goodbye
What you have to remember whilst talking to the likes of Bobby Dazzler .. is that they are severely lacking in the brains department!!
If the 2 brain cells that are busily chasing each other within Bobby Dazzlers brain .. could actually make contact with each other .. he might suddenly start to make sence!!
Until then .. he will continue to come across as a "Nut Job" ..
And my message to you Bobby Dazzler is quite simple .. so even a person with a level of intelligence as low as yours can understand!!
"We not only stand up for life .. we have a life!!"
Why not follow your own advice .. and GET A LIFE?
bobby dazzler, york says...
10:02am Thu 13 Mar 08
Steven McLean wrote:My intellignece is lacking??? Is that why i have a 122 IQ? How do you stand up for life please explain? As i see it you are runining the blue cycles business thus runiing their lifes. Thats a bit Contradicting! Can you not reply to me earlier arguement that i put to you or were my points enough to make you relise you had no grounuds for argument!
bobby dazzler wrote:Kaka morris .. don't be too hard on yourself .. you did a great job! What you have to remember whilst talking to the likes of Bobby Dazzler .. is that they are severely lacking in the brains department!! If the 2 brain cells that are busily chasing each other within Bobby Dazzlers brain .. could actually make contact with each other .. he might suddenly start to make sence!! Until then .. he will continue to come across as a "Nut Job" .. And my message to you Bobby Dazzler is quite simple .. so even a person with a level of intelligence as low as yours can understand!! "We not only stand up for life .. we have a life!!" Why not follow your own advice .. and GET A LIFE?kaka morris wrote:YOUR A FREAK!!! GET A LIFE!!! NOBODY AGRESS WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU A NUT JOB!!! AND WRONG!!!!AdmiralN wrote: Well i like Fois Gras, and there are other delicious meats available to as kaka says. like, Venison, Turtle, Tadpole (soup is wonderful), octopus, wild boar, Horse, Bear, tiger, sea lion and reindeer are all very nice!!!well my final comment (as I am severely disgruntled) is that all the UK should be MADE to go vege!!..and I mean it..goodbye
bobby dazzler, york says...
10:05am Thu 13 Mar 08
Steven McLean wrote:I also have a very good life. I have a good house, job and also like to dine in fine resturants and drink expensive imported larger and wine. I have friends who have jobs and do not try to impose their ideas onto other people. So please dont patranise me.
bobby dazzler wrote:Kaka morris .. don't be too hard on yourself .. you did a great job! What you have to remember whilst talking to the likes of Bobby Dazzler .. is that they are severely lacking in the brains department!! If the 2 brain cells that are busily chasing each other within Bobby Dazzlers brain .. could actually make contact with each other .. he might suddenly start to make sence!! Until then .. he will continue to come across as a "Nut Job" .. And my message to you Bobby Dazzler is quite simple .. so even a person with a level of intelligence as low as yours can understand!! "We not only stand up for life .. we have a life!!" Why not follow your own advice .. and GET A LIFE?kaka morris wrote:YOUR A FREAK!!! GET A LIFE!!! NOBODY AGRESS WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU A NUT JOB!!! AND WRONG!!!!AdmiralN wrote: Well i like Fois Gras, and there are other delicious meats available to as kaka says. like, Venison, Turtle, Tadpole (soup is wonderful), octopus, wild boar, Horse, Bear, tiger, sea lion and reindeer are all very nice!!!well my final comment (as I am severely disgruntled) is that all the UK should be MADE to go vege!!..and I mean it..goodbye
bobby dazzler, york says...
10:08am Thu 13 Mar 08
Steven McLean wrote:I also think you should read my previous comments on how frois gois is made in some countrys. My intelligence level is obviously higher then yours as i did not campaigne or look into the subject but simple knew the processes involved in differet countrys. You lot woke up and thought hey lets stick up for some geese we havn't actually been to a farm were there reared but we have read it so it must be right. Do you research and you will see that they are mainly reared in effical ways now so go eat a daisy!
bobby dazzler wrote:Kaka morris .. don't be too hard on yourself .. you did a great job! What you have to remember whilst talking to the likes of Bobby Dazzler .. is that they are severely lacking in the brains department!! If the 2 brain cells that are busily chasing each other within Bobby Dazzlers brain .. could actually make contact with each other .. he might suddenly start to make sence!! Until then .. he will continue to come across as a "Nut Job" .. And my message to you Bobby Dazzler is quite simple .. so even a person with a level of intelligence as low as yours can understand!! "We not only stand up for life .. we have a life!!" Why not follow your own advice .. and GET A LIFE?kaka morris wrote:YOUR A FREAK!!! GET A LIFE!!! NOBODY AGRESS WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU A NUT JOB!!! AND WRONG!!!!AdmiralN wrote: Well i like Fois Gras, and there are other delicious meats available to as kaka says. like, Venison, Turtle, Tadpole (soup is wonderful), octopus, wild boar, Horse, Bear, tiger, sea lion and reindeer are all very nice!!!well my final comment (as I am severely disgruntled) is that all the UK should be MADE to go vege!!..and I mean it..goodbye
TooRad, york says...
1:43pm Thu 13 Mar 08
bobby dazzler, york says...
1:52pm Thu 13 Mar 08
TooRad wrote:Is that not the point of the comments section to voice a opinion? I like the way you can tell im loud by my typing? Ha if somebody who didn't know you call you stupid i think you would want to show them your not to. So do one toorad not your agrument unless you have sometinh about the article to say.
Bobby D - As well as your obvious high intelligence, great job, fine wines etc. you're also loud, opinionated, boorish, narrow and too fond of the look of your own typing. Calm down, you're embarrassing yourself.
TooRad, york says...
1:58pm Thu 13 Mar 08
YOUR A FREAK!!! GET A LIFE!!! NOBODY AGRESS WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU A NUT JOB!!! AND WRONG!!!!
The above is loud.
Shedloads of argumentative comments can also be perceived as loud.
I've made my comment on the article, as it happens.
bobby dazzler, york says...
2:00pm Thu 13 Mar 08
TooRad wrote:So what would you say to forcing everyone in the uk to not eat meat? I think i have a right to put in captials when replying to such a daft comment. Doen't mean i shout.
YOUR A FREAK!!! GET A LIFE!!! NOBODY AGRESS WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU A NUT JOB!!! AND WRONG!!!!The above is loud. Shedloads of argumentative comments can also be perceived as loud. I've made my comment on the article, as it happens.
Chris P, says...
4:52pm Sat 15 Mar 08
Police officers speak to a protester at an earlier demonstration outside The Blue Bicycle
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