Lets see if this time they can come up with a scheme that is pedestrian only. There is a constant stream of cars through the city centre - most claiming to be disabled some do not stop - some carry disabled passengers who do not get out. For the genuinely disabled there is a scheme whereby they can hire electric wheelchairs. At present the so called pedestrianisation is a sham.

www.cyclingengland.c
o.uk/documents/A.07.
pdf sets out the Government's present advice to Local Authorities, on the principles to be adopted in vehicle restricted areas (wrongly called "Footstreets")which enable part or full time use by pedal cyclists.

The hours of operation should be extended - if deliveries in Stonegate can be organised in very limited range of times the same should apply to Coney St and all other car traffic banned. Allowing cars to legally speed down there at 30 in the evening is dangerous. A designated daytime cycle route through the centre would boost cycling - it has been proved to work safely in Cambridge where a ban on cycling was lifted temporarily then made permanent after a year trial.

Re-open Deangate..let's get the traffic flowing again..

The congestion problems in York have been council made since the 1970's,car parks and the park and ride schemes are the winners.a nice little earner!

How can York council close off a RIGHT OF WAY these roads have been rights of way for hundreds of years no one should be in a position to close off rights of way.

CONGESTION IS A MYTH!

Congestion is council made York council closed off over 155 roads and streets closed off to vehicles thus creating congestion every vehicle is directed to one major road thus creating JAMS open up the 155 roads congestion is ended,
Example if a person had the small veins in a body closed off and the main amount of blood would have to travel via one artery the body would close down! this is whats happening to York!
By closing streets this helps the council to start charging tolls they already are talking about charging you to go over bridges? its all a con a stealth tax on the motorist.
Look at the situation York ran with out a hitch years ago 1970? was the start of the rot when streets in Acomb were closed off, they inform us its for our safety RUBBISH! its all a con but no one listens its time you all woke up!
How could a city work correctly with 155 roads closed, we have a generation who have been brought up not knowing how vehicles used York when all our roads could be used freely, its the older generation who know its time we took a stand and said no more.
Look at the problem with ousgate if you wanted to get to High ousgate from Low ousgate you have to go approx 3 miles round to it, this creates polution, if your in Lendal parked and you need to go to St Leonards this is approx two miles travel you turn left go over Lendal bridge all the way past the station over Lendal bridge again this is twice this would be two tolls then onto St Leonards this is barmy do you not agree!
Traders want foot streets?? close off Micklegate and it will die traders must be crackers asking for foot streets havent they had a bad time when all the major shops are now on the out skirts of York, are these traders just tourist trash sellers if so they need closing down any way all selling junk bought one day binned the next day.

pay as you go wrote:
The congestion problems in York have been council made since the 1970's,car parks and the park and ride schemes are the winners.a nice little earner!

At last a person who can see whats going on congestion is a myth does not exist!
It only exists to tax you all.

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Nimby wrote:
Lets see if this time they can come up with a scheme that is pedestrian only. There is a constant stream of cars through the city centre - most claiming to be disabled some do not stop - some carry disabled passengers who do not get out. For the genuinely disabled there is a scheme whereby they can hire electric wheelchairs. At present the so called pedestrianisation is a sham.

Roads were made for vehicles footpaths for pedestrians all roads are rights of way, congestion is a myth.

I'm a huge advocate of cycling but I have to admit that there is a sizeable minority of cyclists who are a danger to pedestrians and therefore I wouldn't advocate them been allowed down footstreets. The problem for cyclists is other road-users, e.g cars and BUSES. Over the years, FIRST have bought bigger and bigger buses and still expect them to negotiate Coppergate. It makes it a death-trap for cyclists. So here's a question :- "Do we need buses to cross the town?" If we turned them around at appropriate points, so they just serviced their side of the town, they would be able to keep to the schedules more easily.

Larkin - this is obviously a hobby-horse of yours. Mine is the complete opposite. Roads weren't built for cars, they pre-dated the invention of the Infernal Combustion engine by donkey's years. Streets are for people and cars are anti-social. You state it is a 3 mile journey to get from Low Ousegate to High Ousegate. Wrong, the answer is to walk!

You're only getting angry because you know and see that the tide is turning against the car. Wake-up and smell the coffee. Otherwise you'll continue to be just bitter and frustrated.

CONGESTION IS A MYTH!

Not a myth, but deliberately caused by schemes like this and unsynchronised traffic lights, to justify lucrative congestion charges. That's what it all about.

I recall photos of York City centre in the 1960's before there were any traffic parking or other restrictions. This free for all must have made life very dangerous and unpleasant for those not in a car (including car users after they prised themselves from their beloved vehicles).

petethefeet wrote:
Larkin - this is obviously a hobby-horse of yours. Mine is the complete opposite. Roads weren't built for cars, they pre-dated the invention of the Infernal Combustion engine by donkey's years. Streets are for people and cars are anti-social. You state it is a 3 mile journey to get from Low Ousegate to High Ousegate. Wrong, the answer is to walk! You're only getting angry because you know and see that the tide is turning against the car. Wake-up and smell the coffee. Otherwise you'll continue to be just bitter and frustrated.

You want to wake up and smell the coffee yourself mate,larkin is on the button,he is not asleep,the answer is to walk...what a load of tripe you are talking, you are the one that seems bitter and twisted,all larkin has done is tell the truth.

Paul Hepworth wrote:
I recall photos of York City centre in the 1960's before there were any traffic parking or other restrictions. This free for all must have made life very dangerous and unpleasant for those not in a car (including car users after they prised themselves from their beloved vehicles).

It was Paul. Despite far fewer cars, there were 3 times has many deaths. Point proven!

cyclists already IGNORE the rule & cycle through the city centre footstreets almost colliding with padestrians anyway! It is time they were stopped!!!

petethefeet wrote:
Larkin - this is obviously a hobby-horse of yours. Mine is the complete opposite. Roads weren't built for cars, they pre-dated the invention of the Infernal Combustion engine by donkey's years. Streets are for people and cars are anti-social. You state it is a 3 mile journey to get from Low Ousegate to High Ousegate. Wrong, the answer is to walk! You're only getting angry because you know and see that the tide is turning against the car. Wake-up and smell the coffee. Otherwise you'll continue to be just bitter and frustrated.

I said vehicles horse and carts were vehicles we the vehicle owners are king smell the coffee its you petethefeet who is bitter the car cant be beaten its going to be around when your long gone.

lastword morris wrote:
Re-open Deangate..let's get the traffic flowing again..

Re-open the 155 roads now closed in York lets get Yorks traffic flowing AGAIN!

larkin wrote:

petethefeet wrote: Larkin - this is obviously a hobby-horse of yours. Mine is the complete opposite. Roads weren't built for cars, they pre-dated the invention of the Infernal Combustion engine by donkey's years. Streets are for people and cars are anti-social. You state it is a 3 mile journey to get from Low Ousegate to High Ousegate. Wrong, the answer is to walk! You're only getting angry because you know and see that the tide is turning against the car. Wake-up and smell the coffee. Otherwise you'll continue to be just bitter and frustrated.

I said vehicles horse and carts were vehicles we the vehicle owners are king smell the coffee its you petethefeet who is bitter the car cant be beaten its going to be around when your long gone.

155 and rising........:-))

It would certainly be an interesting
experiment to open up the 155 roads, in that the results would hopefully silence the nostalgic Mr Toad faction for evermore. In 1961 there were "only" 9 million vehicles on UK roads, today there are over 33 million and rising. Think on't.

Mike C wrote:
It would certainly be an interesting experiment to open up the 155 roads, in that the results would hopefully silence the nostalgic Mr Toad faction for evermore. In 1961 there were "only" 9 million vehicles on UK roads, today there are over 33 million and rising. Think on't.

Agreed....so long as we could have another day when only emergency vehicles could move within the ring-road. We might actually start talking to the neighbours again!

Easingwold, Leeds, anyone else from the sticks want to have a say on York affairs? Park at the P&R and keep your Cars out of the city.

I think the York City Council are trying to punish as many small bussiness's in York as possible. No wonder there are so many empty shops throughout York. So after fighting to save Micklegate post office (which was well worth the fight to keep it) we now have another area to fight. Making Micklegate a pedestrian only street. I think this is a bad idea and will not benefit any of the shops, not only for there customers but for deliveries etc. I run a Florist which uses my van to make deliveries and need access for this all through the day. I feel years ago Micklegate fought for the car parking charges which are very reasonable and now it feels like that was a waste of time and effort. Also Mickleate is a main route for the emergency services and will also make traffic works in other areas. Bad , Bad idea!!!!!

Even if it had a designated cycling area I wouldn't fancy attempting to peddle down Coney St on a saturday afternoon. Pedestrians seem to think that Fossway is already pedestrianised - they are always stepping off the pavement in front of my bike, I've been knocked off once and almost knocked off countless times.

the only reason york is always jammed with traffic is the councils traffic planning system they have in place. There are far too many traffic lights in york that is why cars are stuck in the city polluting the air. These people should resign there jobs cause they dont have a clue

petethefeet wrote:
Larkin - this is obviously a hobby-horse of yours. Mine is the complete opposite. Roads weren't built for cars, they pre-dated the invention of the Infernal Combustion engine by donkey's years. Streets are for people and cars are anti-social. You state it is a 3 mile journey to get from Low Ousegate to High Ousegate. Wrong, the answer is to walk! You're only getting angry because you know and see that the tide is turning against the car. Wake-up and smell the coffee. Otherwise you'll continue to be just bitter and frustrated.

One man said.

"ITS GOOD FOR RULERS THAT MEN DO NOT THINK"

Some of You are not thinking as men but as buffons if you think that stopping vehicles ends congestion your incorrect! the CAR IS KING util you get this into your heads you wont be happy just smell the coffee

..anyone thought what happens when fuel hits £2.00 per litre.? How does "the car is king" theory hold up then, when no one can afford to drive?? Maybe Anne Ried will give us ALL a green wave.

larkin wrote:

petethefeet wrote: Larkin - this is obviously a hobby-horse of yours. Mine is the complete opposite. Roads weren't built for cars, they pre-dated the invention of the Infernal Combustion engine by donkey's years. Streets are for people and cars are anti-social. You state it is a 3 mile journey to get from Low Ousegate to High Ousegate. Wrong, the answer is to walk! You're only getting angry because you know and see that the tide is turning against the car. Wake-up and smell the coffee. Otherwise you'll continue to be just bitter and frustrated.

One man said. "ITS GOOD FOR RULERS THAT MEN DO NOT THINK" Some of You are not thinking as men but as buffons if you think that stopping vehicles ends congestion your incorrect! the CAR IS KING util you get this into your heads you wont be happy just smell the coffee

Eh Larkin. I'm happy as a pig in muck. Especially when I'm peddling past you saddo's queueing to get into York.....:-))

How about taking the buses out of the centre as well?? They could go round the walls - nowhere in York city centre is that far from a Bar and it would make it more pleasant, rather than buses clogging up the roads for the traffic that needs to use the centre.

Trams'd be a good replacement - better than a bendy bus!!!

I remeber York traffic in the 50's, 60's & 70's and it was better when the roads were open.
I agree having the existing foot streets, but for god's sake don't expand them, and stop cyclists riding down them it's dangerous.
Best thing to do is not go into York at all, just leave it to the tourists.

Some of You are not thinking as men but as buffons

What's a buffon? is it like a button?

Mullarkian wrote:
I remeber York traffic in the 50's, 60's & 70's and it was better when the roads were open. I agree having the existing foot streets, but for god's sake don't expand them, and stop cyclists riding down them it's dangerous. Best thing to do is not go into York at all, just leave it to the tourists.

A few years ago, Cambridge partly rescinded a city centre ban on daytime cycling, and it has been very successful in the streets where cycling is now permitted.
Town and City centres in mainland Europe generally have a much more relaxed attitude than the UK. I have visited some as either a cyclist or pedestrian and have never encountered any problems.

Hi Paul. Seen it myself in the low countries. However, they don't seem to be cursed by our knuckle-dragging, plug-looking, gormless counter-culture that we call "chavs" and who aimlessly veer amongst pedestrians on their dwarf-like bikes that they bought from the circus clowns.

I do believe as a motorist moving to York, I do feel that cyclists here need to do the simple things like indicate...the amount of times i've nearly killed bad cyclists is enormous...No one wants to be a murderer so please all cyclists reading this indicate so you live to cycle another day. I believe all other motorists agree with me on this

Mike C wrote:
It would certainly be an interesting experiment to open up the 155 roads, in that the results would hopefully silence the nostalgic Mr Toad faction for evermore. In 1961 there were "only" 9 million vehicles on UK roads, today there are over 33 million and rising. Think on't.

So we have more traffic now but fewer roads for it to use? Where's the sense in that? All roads should be open, as that's why they exist. Why should Mr X have traffic on his road whilst Miss Y has the comfort of a closed road? We all pay our community charge and vehicle licence so why should some be favoured over others? I would bet that if all the closed roads (155?) were reopened, we would see less congestion on major routes. And less pollution. Fewer poorly-phased traffic lights would help too.

Silver wrote:
I do believe as a motorist moving to York, I do feel that cyclists here need to do the simple things like indicate...the amount of times i've nearly killed bad cyclists is enormous...No one wants to be a murderer so please all cyclists reading this indicate so you live to cycle another day. I believe all other motorists agree with me on this

I agree with you Silver and I always indicate. Unfortunately that didn't stop an idiot in a white van from giving me the horn and almost knocking me off when I tried to pull out to turn right. My arm was straight out to the right for at least five seconds before I moved, he was miles behind me and had ample time to slow down, instead I believe that he sped up deliberately. You will always get your morons no matter what form of transport they are using.

There is no major problems with the pedestrian areas ,some streets are open to disabled badge holders ,this is a limited number of streets ,so what if some disabled badge holders dont get out of the car,why should they,as there been a spate of car accidents in the footstreets not as far as i know ,of course the cafe owners want it closed to traffic so they can fill the pavement with tables and chairs to increase their sales area,there as been a couple of problems on fossgate which is not a designated area for disabled parking ,which should result in penalty tickets if the parking attendents are doing their job ,most traffic problems seem to involve vans or lorries delivering to the shops,why is it that these can park on the whole pavement .Its a case of live and let live ,later in the day such as coney st ect are open to allow for deliveries ,street cleaning,it sounds like a step towards tourists only,I would have thought any shops on micklegate that want it closed to traffic must be barmy its like sealing your own doom ,plus can the councillors not see closing more streets would increase traffic on existing streets ,than throw in the greens 20mph zone and you have a recipe for gridlock city centre with extremely high emmision levels,why not get the enforcement team to go and start ticketing all the vans and lorries and cars that are causing obstructions,every year when the new funding starts it gets thrown into some new traffic plan that very rarely does any good whatsoever,the other year it was green lights,I could understand encouraging deliveries to shops to be early morning where possible ,the problem is because they have limited times (quite rightly)they all rush in at the same time,if you want a busy city centre it needs to be accessable if not we can always shop elsewhere.If coun Reid decides to close goodramgate for no apparent reason is she going to pay for all the reprinting of the disabled information leaflets.

Well well well. What a lot of good stuff.

Some very funny (clown cycles and buttons! lol), some daft and some quite sane.

Though isn't the point 'politics'. Distracting from other more important issues, failings, under investment.

The transport department of CYC have one of the biggest budget allocations and has to be seen to spend it otherwise it will be reduced.

One question no-one has asked regarding this review is 'How much are the CYC spending on it in time and money?' Town planning consultants and expenses alone will ratch up £1000s.
A review like this should be a public consultation as it affects everyone: citizens and business owners and tourists.

But that will take more time and money.

The following took me 40 minutes to think of. And they can have it for free.

My twopenneth. (FYI, I have a business in the CC and live in the CC.)

Don't think about closing Micklegate to cars. Bad for businesses, therefore residents and visitors.
Reducing the 'speed limit' to 10 miles per hour for all traffic in the CC.
Ban all large or heavy delivery vans, as they often block other road users and cause more environmental damage. Although this will put up prices in shops, bars and restaurants I'm sure the Greens will support this.
Reduce access times in more places to City Centre to 10.30 - 5.30 Sun - Fri, 10 - 6 on Saturday. Less congestion, less pollution.
Don't let cycling mafia have total freedom. A bike is still a potential health hazard to pedestrians and motorists. If 'High Petergate - Low Petergate - Colliergate - Fossgate' had a 2 way clearly designated (colour coded) cycle path and Pedestrianised path at the new extended times it would not hurt anyone. Except the conservationists (lets not go there).
Close Goodramgate to traffic except for deliveries at the new revised times. That would allow for a 2 way cycling path and pedestrianised street.
If Colliergate and Goodramgate are closed to disabled parking, encourage the St Andrewgate area be used for genuine disabled drivers (it is not currently on the CYC Disabled Parking Plan - though the plans for where people can park for Free (http://www.york.gov
.uk/content/45053/64
897/133965/city_cent
re_access.pdf) are quite extensive if a little confusing.
Close Coppergate to all traffic and pedestrianise it with the cycle lane only. That completes a north/south & east/west scheme for them.
Pedestrianise the roads outside Brown's and the Mana Restaurant on St Sampsons Square.
More enforcement of existing measures would make sense. Disabled parking violations,speeding cyclists going the wrong way...

If CYC want common sense email me

swift_nick@hotmail.c
om

chris2705 wrote:
the only reason york is always jammed with traffic is the councils traffic planning system they have in place. There are far too many traffic lights in york that is why cars are stuck in the city polluting the air. These people should resign there jobs cause they dont have a clue

Chris
The only reason York has a congestion problem is due to the 155 roads now closed to vehicles, each road closed cost £2.500 its time we told York Council to open them all, but they will refuse (WHY) becouse they need all your vehicles using ONE ROAD READY TO TOLL US ALL.
COME ON WAKE UP YORK CANT YOU ALL SEE WHATS GOING ON open your eyes!
Every road in York has yellow lines or you need to pay £80 to park in your own street, cant you all see its a con to gain millions of our cash.

Ali wrote:

Some of You are not thinking as men but as buffons

What's a buffon? is it like a button?

Just a slight miss on the O Its BUFFOONS

larkin wrote:
How can York council close off a RIGHT OF WAY these roads have been rights of way for hundreds of years no one should be in a position to close off rights of way. CONGESTION IS A MYTH! Congestion is council made York council closed off over 155 roads and streets closed off to vehicles thus creating congestion every vehicle is directed to one major road thus creating JAMS open up the 155 roads congestion is ended, Example if a person had the small veins in a body closed off and the main amount of blood would have to travel via one artery the body would close down! this is whats happening to York! By closing streets this helps the council to start charging tolls they already are talking about charging you to go over bridges? its all a con a stealth tax on the motorist. Look at the situation York ran with out a hitch years ago 1970? was the start of the rot when streets in Acomb were closed off, they inform us its for our safety RUBBISH! its all a con but no one listens its time you all woke up! How could a city work correctly with 155 roads closed, we have a generation who have been brought up not knowing how vehicles used York when all our roads could be used freely, its the older generation who know its time we took a stand and said no more. Look at the problem with ousgate if you wanted to get to High ousgate from Low ousgate you have to go approx 3 miles round to it, this creates polution, if your in Lendal parked and you need to go to St Leonards this is approx two miles travel you turn left go over Lendal bridge all the way past the station over Lendal bridge again this is twice this would be two tolls then onto St Leonards this is barmy do you not agree! Traders want foot streets?? close off Micklegate and it will die traders must be crackers asking for foot streets havent they had a bad time when all the major shops are now on the out skirts of York, are these traders just tourist trash sellers if so they need closing down any way all selling junk bought one day binned the next day.

RIGHT OF WAY only applies to foot, or horse and cart traffic it do's not apply to cars or wagons