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4:32pm Wednesday 4th June 2008

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A CHILDREN'S play park in York will end up resembling a prisoner-of-war camp if new high-security fencing is put up, a councillor has warned.

Councillors and park managers are to consider putting up a higher fence and lockable gate at the play area on Rawcliffe recreation ground, in an attempt to curb antisocial behaviour and underage drinking in the area.

But local councillor Joe Watt voiced concern. He said: "We do not want it to become like a prisoner-of-war camp, which the comments you get when you talk about putting a high fence round it.

"There are only two options - put up the fence, or remove the whole play park altogether.

"That second option appears not to be palatable to many people, so we have no option but to go for the fence."

The recreation ground has long been a trouble spot in Rawcliffe. Although the play-area is well used by young children during the day, older youths gather in the evenings, and are a cause for concern locally.

Councillors have now agreed to apply for funding to put gates at entrances to the ground, to stop vehicles getting in, and they have also agreed to consult local people on the possibility of building a youth shelter for the teenagers.

Jane Mowat, director of Safer York Partnership, told the meeting of councillors that she had not dismissed the idea of the shelter, but added: "My experience is that if you involve young people in that process, you tend to have more success than if you just impose it on them."

Meanwhile, councillors have agreed to adopt Dead Man's Alley, in Clifton, which should pave the way for more regular maintenance and better upkeep.

The alley, which runs between Clifton Green shops and Clifton Green Primary School has existed for more than 150 years, but was not on City of York Council's list of adopted streets.

Councillors agreed to rectify the omission, and will now be able to ensure it is properly lit and maintained.

The meeting also agreed to proceed with plans to lock an alleyway in Dringhouses, that has become a hotspot for antisocial behaviour and petty crime.

The lane, between Mayfield Grove and St Helen's Road, is well used during the day, but is a source of trouble at night. The council now wants to use new legislation to lock it overnight.

Local councillor Tom Holvey welcomed the decision, and added: "Hopefully the council will move forward quickly with the order and ensure the gates are installed as soon as possible, we will continue to work with local residents to overcome any obstacles."


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No News Is Good News, York says...
4:43pm Wed 4 Jun 08

"There are only two options - put up the fence, or remove the whole play park altogether.

How about a third option.
The recreation ground has long been a trouble spot in Rawcliffe. Although the play-area is well used by young children during the day, older youths gather in the evenings, and are a cause for concern locally.

If it is known that kids are hanging about and causing a nuisance then do something about that rather than turning it into Stalag 13.

tonesview, york says...
4:47pm Wed 4 Jun 08

Go for the fence, Keep the chavy little scrotebags out or they'll be in there before you can say cheap cider on offer at Tesco's. Try putting gun towers on corners also
this should add an extra feature

Teenagers of today....'Bless em'

jackk, n.yorks says...
5:52pm Wed 4 Jun 08

Yet again the council seek to avoid their responsibilities. If older youths are causing concern why are the laws of the land not being used to either control them or remove them from the area. There’s little point in having ASBOs and all these other so called initiatives if you don’t use them.

Get the police down there on stake out and make the arrests if that’s what’s needed.

confused, York says...
7:01pm Wed 4 Jun 08

How about putting a fence up,then when the little ***** are in lock the gate and throw the key away.

Brian, york says...
7:21pm Wed 4 Jun 08

How about no fence instead send a camera van and police the area,start to do this afew times and see how it goes.

york87, Selby says...
10:26pm Wed 4 Jun 08

to be fair the camera vans do no use.. I have seen them about the streets of york and the youths dont listen to them...

bobby_spray, york says...
3:22pm Thu 5 Jun 08

What about one of those ultrasonic mosquito devices... Oh hold on wait a minute I've just heard that they infringe the rights of the little scotes to drink and fight.. forget it then, fence it is.

petethefeet, York says...
11:30pm Thu 5 Jun 08

knock-****. It's a perennial problem as to what to do with bored teenagers. So, what do we do? We make it worse. In my lifetime, the minimum age for pub drinking was 18, but, in the sixties, nobody cared so long as you were over 16. Then somebody had the bright idea of enforcing the 18 law. So, what's been achieved? We've forced them out of the controlled pub environment, where they can drink and learn from their elders, to a street-drinking environment where gang-law rules.

I love it when a plan comes together....:-((

There is a lot of evidense that the government has realised this issue and wants to do something. It is laudable that they now allow 16-year olds to drink in restaurants, with adults. But this beautiful, quintisenciallly 'family-oriented' approach only satisfies middle-class people with a good family ethos. Unlike many european nations, usually catholic, most of our society doesn't have this beautiful fabric. So, we have a problem.


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