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Council facing bill for strike

11:10am Friday 18th July 2008

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By Gavin Aitchison »

COUNCIL chiefs are facing a big overtime bill as they set about a massive clean-up operation in the wake of a two-day strike.

Binmen will be paid time-and-a-half to clear away tons of rubbish left uncollected from thousands of York homes during the action. City of York Council has not ruled out striking refuse collectors being paid overtime to shift the backlog on Saturday and next week.

But a spokeswoman said past experience showed that those who went on strike were unlikely to work on the additional days. She said crews were being asked to do extra hours to try to minimise the impact of the strike on customers as much as possible.

Mark Wallace, campaigns director of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: “There is no way that striking staff should be paid overtime to clear up the mess they have left or caused.”

Meanwhile, disgruntled council workers have warned they could strike again in September.

Two-day strike leaves waste piled up in the streets

MORE than 20,000 households in York have seen their rubbish go uncollected as a result of the council workers’ strike.

Yesterday and on Wednesday, City of York Council managed to carry out only half of its normal collections, meaning thousands of households have been left with their green waste, household refuse, or recyclables.

They are now being told to leave the waste out on Saturday – when binmen will be paid time-and-a-half to catch up on the routes missed this week.

The council did not rule out those who had striked from taking part in overtime, but said experience suggested that was “unlikely”.

Meanwhile, disgruntled council workers have warned they could strike again in September – potentially disrupting the new school term for thousands of York youngsters.

Unison members across the country yesterday completed their two-day strike over low pay, in an action that disrupted frontline services nationwide.

In York, some 12,700 households saw their waste go uncollected as refuse collectors stayed away. Another 8,000 had been hit on Wednesday. Council workers yesterday staged pickets across York, at car parks, schools, libraries and in St Helen’s Square outside the Guildhall and Mansion House.

Heather McKenzie, convener of the York branch of Unison, said: “We have had a good turnout. I have been pleased.

“It’s the first time we have had a two-day one, and it’s been pleasing people have stayed out.

“The general feeling from the public as we have talked to people on the pavement is that they are supporting us.”

Unison will now wait to see if the Government improves its offer of a 2.45 per cent pay increase, before holding a national meeting next Wednesday to consider its next step. York Unison secretary Ben Drake said any further strike could be in August, but may be delayed until September, when it would coincide with the new school term.

Mark Wallace, campaigns director of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: “This whole sorry tale has only seen one group lose out – ordinary families who are struggling to make ends meet.

“For all the union’s rhetoric, this is not a struggle against some mythical bosses. The strikes have been against ordinary tax-payers.”

He added: “There is no way that striking staff should be paid overtime to clear up the mess they have left or caused.”

Unison says its members have had below-inflation pay increases for the past ten years, and is claiming for a six per cent increase.

Elsewhere, North Yorkshire County Council said it had worked to minimise disruption.

Coun Carl Les, executive member for corporate services, said: “Whilst the annual pay settlement is negotiated and determined nationally, the county council has made provision for 2.5 per cent and any pay award above this will cause budget pressures.”

Janet Waggott, chief executive of Ryedale District Council, said 2,000 of the authority’s 53,000 households had missed their refuse collections as a result of the strike, but said other services had been maintained.



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Should binmen get overtime for clearing the rubbish backlog?


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DILLIGAF, York says...
11:14am Fri 18 Jul 08

Ridiculous. Why should the taxpayer pay more for a service they have already payed for?

T0553rs!

bill and ben, york says...
11:19am Fri 18 Jul 08

people who go on strike should not be able to get overtime

Bemused, York says...
11:25am Fri 18 Jul 08

How about sacking the strikers and employing Polish migrant workers on a temp basis? Then they can be laid off in winter when there are no green bins, and they are unlikely to hang around long enough to qualify for pensions.

the best binman ever, york says...
11:27am Fri 18 Jul 08

Come on boys lets take the money and run,thanks to unison us binmen get more money for going on strike.
I say more strikes

Free speech, York says...
11:30am Fri 18 Jul 08

bill and ben wrote:
people who go on strike should not be able to get overtime
Right on!
They chose to go on strike and should face the consequences.
To give them time and a half is to encourage MORE strikes!!!

the best binman ever, york says...
11:32am Fri 18 Jul 08

Who gets time and a half. we only get 1.4

tonezzzznoddedoff, york says...
12:10pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Either they do the backlog on Saturday for no pay,as they should have done it anyway, Or they have to re-apply for their own jobs on the open market. Simple Really.We'll soon find out how many people out there wouldn't mind the stress free job of being a binman.

JC42, YORK says...
12:10pm Fri 18 Jul 08

good on these people for striking its about time we stood up instead of the goverment walking all over us , bring back all trade unions

my opinion, york says...
12:20pm Fri 18 Jul 08

The winter of discontent II

bill and ben, york says...
12:30pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Free speech wrote:
bill and ben wrote:people who go on strike should not be able to get overtimeRight on!They chose to go on strike and should face the consequences.To give them time and a half is to encourage MORE strikes!!!
I agree with the strike I was on strike, but it defeats the object if people just go in days later and get overtime.
Also why is everyone having a go at the bin men, it was the COUNCIL that went on strike not just them.

More people should stand up and be counted rather than I'm ok jack attitude.

SIMON, London says...
12:35pm Fri 18 Jul 08

When people are in a menial job with no sense of job satisfaction, they will express their frustration in many ways. One is to strike for better pay. Car productions workers in the 1970's doing a repetitive job illustrates my point.

As for me, I am a matchstick. So striking is second nature

the best binman ever, york says...
12:42pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Some people are so THICK they think all there council tax goes on refuse collection thats why they slag us of all the time.Come on have a guess how much you pay for a years collection then see if the what we get paid is fair!!!!!!!!!!

Adam McCartney, York says...
12:50pm Fri 18 Jul 08

the best binman ever wrote:
Come on boys lets take the money and run,thanks to unison us binmen get more money for going on strike.I say more strikes
Why are you on here at 11.27, early finish just for a change?

Stevie D, Selby says...
12:51pm Fri 18 Jul 08

"I agree with the strike I was on strike, but it defeats the object if people just go in days later and get overtime.
Also why is everyone having a go at the bin men, it was the COUNCIL that went on strike not just them"

I'm pretty sure it's council policy that anyone who goes on strike is not allowed to work overtime or additional hours to make up for work they didn't do because of the strike.

The reason people keep going on about the binmen is because they're the only ones that this wonderfully impartial rag The Press ever seems to mention. Many council workers were at their desks on Wednesday and Thursday, so maybe a higher proportion of binmen were on strike than workers in other departments.

Personally, I don't see the point in striking and losing 2 days pay over a rise that is worth 1.5 days pay...

tonezzzznoddedoff, york says...
12:53pm Fri 18 Jul 08

SIMON wrote:
When people are in a menial job with no sense of job satisfaction, they will express their frustration in many ways. One is to strike for better pay. Car productions workers in the 1970's doing a repetitive job illustrates my point.

As for me, I am a matchstick. So striking is second nature
Ever wondered why the country dosen't produce anything anymore.

the best binman ever, york says...
12:55pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Adam McCartney wrote:
the best binman ever wrote:Come on boys lets take the money and run,thanks to unison us binmen get more money for going on strike.I say more strikes Why are you on here at 11.27, early finish just for a change?
Adam i take it don't get holidays at your place of work,or are you one of the pondlife that doesn't work.

tonezzzznoddedoff, york says...
1:01pm Fri 18 Jul 08

It may seem like everyone is just knocking the binmen only, but the fact is when you've got festering piles of two week old sh***y rubbish sat outside your back door, it's very difficult not to.

avid reader, York says...
1:04pm Fri 18 Jul 08

To be fair, it wasn't just the binmen who went on strike but unfortunately it is the general public who suffer the consequences when their rubbish isn't collected. Maybe the council will learn and pay them a proper and decent wage or better still the suits who make the decisions should be made to clear up the rubbish!

bob the builder, York says...
1:12pm Fri 18 Jul 08

tonezzzznoddedoff wrote:
Either they do the backlog on Saturday for no pay,as they should have done it anyway, Or they have to re-apply for their own jobs on the open market. Simple Really.We'll soon find out how many people out there wouldn't mind the stress free job of being a binman.
...after dealing with a few split bags full of dog mess, needles or food waste, chased by dogs or threatened by youths / drug addicts / the public - I think you'd change your mind. Not a job I'd want whatever the pay.

the best binman ever, york says...
1:21pm Fri 18 Jul 08

tonezzzznoddedoff wrote:
It may seem like everyone is just knocking the binmen only, but the fact is when you've got festering piles of two week old sh***y rubbish sat outside your back door, it's very difficult not to.
Oh sorry we don't have any rubbish do we.

THE_BACKER, ACOMB says...
2:03pm Fri 18 Jul 08

I like filling my bin with bricks and car parts and then watching at the window while the binmen struggle. Ha Ha. Give the lads £15 an hour - after all - it must be horrible sniffing dirty nappies and rotten fruit !!!

A Biker, York says...
2:04pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Meanwhile the "other" workers who are not employed by government agencies have to make do with their 1% payrise (that's what i got).
I can't go on strike and neither can the rest of the UK workers like me.
However if you are employed via a government agency you can.
Get real, the rest of us have no pay rise to boast about - if you get a payrise my tax goes up, which puts me further out of pocket.
You're not the only ones who are struggling.
Unless I am wrong and if you get a payrise it will make my employer and others issue us a payrise?

tonezzzznoddedoff, york says...
2:44pm Fri 18 Jul 08

A Biker wrote:
Meanwhile the "other" workers who are not employed by government agencies have to make do with their 1% payrise (that's what i got).
I can't go on strike and neither can the rest of the UK workers like me.
However if you are employed via a government agency you can.
Get real, the rest of us have no pay rise to boast about - if you get a payrise my tax goes up, which puts me further out of pocket.
You're not the only ones who are struggling.
Unless I am wrong and if you get a payrise it will make my employer and others issue us a payrise?
Good call.

Pedro, York says...
2:47pm Fri 18 Jul 08

The fact is that bin-men don't get that badly paid for a humping-and-shifting job. Millions of people do the same for minimum wage. I prefer to sympathise with them.

pika79, york says...
3:56pm Fri 18 Jul 08

I challenge all of you on here who cant wait to knock the bin men and recycling down to get off your backsides and do the job for a week and see if you think your getting paid fairly. Until then keep your mouths shut about a job you know nothing about and id be quite interested to find out why you lot were on your computers at 11 am too.

petethefeet, York says...
3:58pm Fri 18 Jul 08

I don't care what the council pay them. I just don't want to see council tax, or any other taxes going up even further. In fact, they need to come down some what. So, if they can maintain service, with council taxes limited to 2.5 per cent then fine. Otherwise, put the service out to tender.

A Biker, York says...
4:34pm Fri 18 Jul 08

My point is not directed at the Bin Men, just all those government workers who are choosing to strike over their unfair payrises - if their strikes get us all payrises, then fair enough, but it won't.
It's also unfair how the government ministers have awarded themselves a nice little payrise - yeah thanks!
Remember who put you there.

pika79, york says...
5:03pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Yeah my point exactly were all turning on each other but the fact of the matter is all these fat cats are just using us and paying themselves nice little payrises

bill and ben, york says...
5:04pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Stevie D wrote:
"I agree with the strike I was on strike, but it defeats the object if people just go in days later and get overtime.Also why is everyone having a go at the bin men, it was the COUNCIL that went on strike not just them"I'm pretty sure it's council policy that anyone who goes on strike is not allowed to work overtime or additional hours to make up for work they didn't do because of the strike.The reason people keep going on about the binmen is because they're the only ones that this wonderfully impartial rag The Press ever seems to mention. Many council workers were at their desks on Wednesday and Thursday, so maybe a higher proportion of binmen were on strike than workers in other departments.Personal
ly, I don't see the point in striking and losing 2 days pay over a rise that is worth 1.5 days pay...
when they are short staffed they will let anyone do overtime.

As i have already said, if everyone stuck together then we would get some where. When i say everyone I mean everyone, Council workers, hospital workers, police, teachers etc etc.

Also if you have never been a bin man then don't slag them off

Adam McCartney, York says...
6:19pm Fri 18 Jul 08

the best binman ever wrote:
Adam McCartney wrote:the best binman ever wrote:Come on boys lets take the money and run,thanks to unison us binmen get more money for going on strike.I say more strikes Why are you on here at 11.27, early finish just for a change?Adam i take it don't get holidays at your place of work,or are you one of the pondlife that doesn't work.
Put it this way, my job is a lot better than emptying peoples rubbish out of their bins.

keepitshut, York says...
6:42pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Adam McCartney wrote:
the best binman ever wrote:Adam McCartney wrote:the best binman ever wrote:Come on boys lets take the money and run,thanks to unison us binmen get more money for going on strike.I say more strikes Why are you on here at 11.27, early finish just for a change?Adam i take it don't get holidays at your place of work,or are you one of the pondlife that doesn't work.Put it this way, my job is a lot better than emptying peoples rubbish out of their bins.
Adam,your job may be a lot better than theirs,it doesnt give you the right to slag the people off that do empty bins,dont knock something until you have tried it!
If you still reside at Brailsford Crescent you might get the chance to be a bin-man sooner than you think,i would expect the contents of your bin all over your garden and driveway next week if you dont watch yourself!

chrisatyork, york says...
7:05pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Ok i`ve read all the posts, as an unemployed "idle layabout" as someone called me.
I would gladly take any job on offer at the moment as the pathetic £60.50 the government say i can live on a week can`t be done.
Also i am not unemployed due to any fault of my own as i was made redundant.
Any more comments tarring all unemployed as "idle layabouts" will be reported.

keepitshut, York says...
7:52pm Fri 18 Jul 08

chrisatyork wrote:
Ok i`ve read all the posts, as an unemployed "idle layabout" as someone called me.I would gladly take any job on offer at the moment as the pathetic £60.50 the government say i can live on a week can`t be done.Also i am not unemployed due to any fault of my own as i was made redundant.Any more comments tarring all unemployed as "idle layabouts" will be reported.
Chris,
Get yourself on strike,have 2 days not activley seeking work and see what response you get from the Government!

what!!, York says...
9:46pm Fri 18 Jul 08

I understand that refuse are recruiting for bin men at the moment. If you fancy £8+/hour for shifting rubbish all day why not apply and see how "easy" it really is. I wouldn't do it for that money! The Council have problems recruiting and filling posts, because no one wants the "high" wages, "low" hours, "extra" holidays they offer! I've worked for the council for two and half years, and in that time my workplace has never been fully staffed. We have had people last less than one hour before they walked out, as the work is that demanding! If the wages and jobs are that cushy, why aren't people lining up for jobs with the council?

Silver, York says...
9:46pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Having been on the dole for 3/4 of a year I have to agree it's a horrible state of being. Now the council workers on strike did so as part of a national union strike. I can't say if they are happy with the pay deal they got they still have to be balloted over the decision. Also the council seems to be sending a lot of the bin men out just to try to provide the service they're meant to do. So any comments about lazy bin men finishing at 2 I think over this week they've worked really hard just to cope.

Eddie Hitler, Usher Park, Haxby says...
7:54am Sat 19 Jul 08

The point is that people are striking because they can't afford to live a normal life. Quality of life is starting to fall and will continue to fall.

Power cuts, civil unrest, food/fuel shortages, rampant inflation. This isn't doomongering, this is reality. You're already seeing the first signs of it now. If prices and taxes continue to rise at the current rate, then we are all in for a very rough ride. Money has been borrowed and pumped into the economy for years to keep it going and now the chickens are coming home to roost. What goes up, must inevitably, come down.

Manon Abike, on the edge says...
7:58am Sat 19 Jul 08

This must be a joke, go on strike for the day then return to work and receive overtime - takes the p**s if you ask me.

Manon Abike, on the edge says...
8:03am Sat 19 Jul 08

Eddie Hitler wrote:
The point is that people are striking because they can't afford to live a normal life. Quality of life is starting to fall and will continue to fall. Power cuts, civil unrest, food/fuel shortages, rampant inflation. This isn't doomongering, this is reality. You're already seeing the first signs of it now. If prices and taxes continue to rise at the current rate, then we are all in for a very rough ride. Money has been borrowed and pumped into the economy for years to keep it going and now the chickens are coming home to roost. What goes up, must inevitably, come down.
Power cuts, civil unrest, food/fuel shortages,

We are in York you know not a war zone although I have not been to Haxby for a while

Eddie Hitler, Usher Park, Haxby says...
8:11am Sat 19 Jul 08

Manon Abike

You exude as much confidence as all the house-price-fall-non
sense- brigade did on this website about a year and a half ago. If I'm wrong then you have nothing to worry about and I shall eat my words.

Let us see what time brings shall we?


Manon Abike, on the edge says...
8:18am Sat 19 Jul 08

I am an upbeat chap really, just bugs me when our council tax is wasted in such a manner. I will be more cheerful all day from now on and promise to visit Haxby soon.

Adam McCartney, York says...
9:27am Sat 19 Jul 08

keepitshut wrote:
Adam McCartney wrote:the best binman ever wrote:Adam McCartney wrote:the best binman ever wrote:Come on boys lets take the money and run,thanks to unison us binmen get more money for going on strike.I say more strikes Why are you on here at 11.27, early finish just for a change?Adam i take it don't get holidays at your place of work,or are you one of the pondlife that doesn't work.Put it this way, my job is a lot better than emptying peoples rubbish out of their bins.Adam,your job may be a lot better than theirs,it doesnt give you the right to slag the people off that do empty bins,dont knock something until you have tried it!If you still reside at Brailsford Crescent you might get the chance to be a bin-man sooner than you think,i would expect the contents of your bin all over your garden and driveway next week if you dont watch yourself!
I think you will find that houses in Brailsford Crescent go straight on to the street, therefore they do not have driveways or front gardens.

keepitshut, York says...
5:26pm Sat 19 Jul 08

Not being a binman,postman,milkm
an or visitor to Brailsford Crescent i wouldnt know,however,thanks for the irrelevant information!

Adam McCartney, York says...
11:00am Mon 21 Jul 08

keepitshut wrote:
Not being a binman,postman,milkm
an or visitor to Brailsford Crescent i wouldnt know,however,thanks for the irrelevant information!
So why stick your beak in to it then, weirdo!

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